Apology accepted jOe, but this isn’t for you or Keith. It is however relevant to Travis’ inquiry on the other thread
The barrels were refinished by Ken Marburger.





The gun is a 1906 OE 16g Smith and a cosmetic mess; blued action & barrels when purchased in Idaho. The barrel bores are even worse; marked pitting throughout. But it was gifted me by my long-time skeet shooting Mormon friend, Col. Byron Meader – here on his 96th birthday – so it has special meaning.



He died in 2016 and his Bishop allowed me to do his funeral at his wife’s request.

The good news is that it has original Hunter Arms of that era bore (.653”) and 2 9/16” chambers with wall thickness at the end of the chamber of .106” & .110”.
9” from breech left .044” but right .032” (recommended .040”).

Bad news is the right barrel lateral wall, probably related to external draw filing before blueing, is .020” from 12” to 21”.
9” from the muzzle is .028”.

When Byron first got the gun, he put 250 2 1/2” 7/8 oz. Polywad Spred-R shells, 100 2 1/2” 7/8 oz. at 1145 fps. (about 8000 psi) loads, and 2 cases (500 shells) of 2 1/2” RST 3/4 oz. at 1100 fps (4,600 psi per RST) through the barrels without rupture or dimensional changes. Pretty good trial.

A friend worked up a load similar to the RST for me: 2 1/2” Cheddite Hull and Primer, 14 gr. Green Dot, BPI SG16 primer, and 3/4 shot. He also gave me a fully functional Lyman Easy Loader set up for that recipe. Another buddy chronographed the load at 1185 fps at 3 feet.

The Cheddite hulls are a pain to crimp, and the crimp is frequently dished. If it is less than 70 degrees there is incomplete combustion of the Green Dot, but I can still use the gun and load about 9 months here in the desert, and do, and rarely flinch

I am sensitive to my responsibility should shrapnel hit one of my friends. Thin (not obstructed) pattern welded or fluid steel barrels usually split, not fragment



but I use a steel and leather hand guard which fortunately just covers the right barrel thin spot.
I do like to shake up fellas by explaining they should stand back a bit when I shoot



And I would never sell or give the gun to someone who doesn’t fully understand the risks, and need for specialty loads.

So I’m happy to be a fool in jOe’s eyes, but I’m not a liar.

More here

Barrel Evaluation, Non-Destructive Testing & Load Recommendations
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZIo0y746UsSRZIgRuuxwAbZjSBHitO_EanvwLYc-kGA/edit

I never apologized for anything.

One thing I might add should you sell this gun to fund another mission trip you won't make it past the closest 7/11...

Gee jOe, are you telling us that the preacher told yet another lie by dishonestly claiming you apologized to him?

I saw that unusual claim, but hadn't seen any apology from you to him.



For a few minutes I thought you might have done so by PM, although I couldn't imagine why you had any reason to apologize to him. This is just weird. He seems rather consumed by this determination to transfer his disingenuous behavior onto you and me. Maybe next he'll be imagining that I apologized to him too.

That's not going to happen.

Drew I like the Col's shirt !

If anyone owes anyone an apology it's the Doc...

If he does start apologizing he'll need to start a lot higher up than me....it could take years and years before he gets down to me.

I'm okay with that.

this started out being an interesting thread...

now it has been trashed by ego driven, self serving sociopaths...

would you guys go defecate elsewhere?

Ed did anyone mention Ed or the torch

I hear you guys nicknamed the color case torch ol'fire and brimstone...is that true ?

more often than not, potentially good threads like this one are diverted by the self focused few here, who seem to revel in launching personal attacks against others here...

why should we, the majority here, have to endure this constant hijacking of threads by those few here who seem to have an out of control need to impose their off topic views on the rest of us?

You mean by people like you that post un-needed comments on useless threads like this one?

Since Keith so enjoys my (mostly) Puritan quotations, here's a good one. John Bunyan "A Discourse Touching Prayer", 1662
"Therefore give me leave a little to reason with thee, thou poor, blind, ignorant sot."

I have at times not debated "with humility and respect" (1 Peter 3:15) and for that I apologize. But wallowing with the pigs gets old (Matthew 7:6 - did Jesus really say that?? The context BTW is evangelistic discernment), and eventually you start to smell like them.
Sad statement when a factual thread regarding the decisions involved in choosing to shoot damascus barrels is deemed "useless" on a double gun forum. I think it's really hopeless.
I'll hang out because there are a number of very knowledgeable gentleman here with a great deal of apparently useless stuff to contribute.

If jOe posts more calumny, I'll stifle the urge to retaliate. For the record Grace Ministries is too small time to be a 501c3. My wife and I (mostly) buy all this food, and none of my expenses are tax deductible, nor are we supported financially by a local church
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/19699775



As I posted previously, if someone would like my opinion regarding a pattern welded barrel they could post full size high resolution images here
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=470696
or email the images by jpg attachment to drewhausemd@yahoo.com

I'd like to think that a real Puritan preacher wouldn't start a new thread in order to run away from his previous lies and devious behaviors:

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=521601&page=5

This obviously wasn't a useless thread. It was apparently intended to continue with dishonesty by asserting that jOe had made an apology, when that simply did not happen.



I'm here because I got dragged into it. But jOe affirms that the preacher is lying:



I don't know what sort of brain eating parasite he may have contracted on his long weekend in Guatemala, but right after posting that obvious lie, he says this:



Did he really think jOe wouldn't confront him on his lie about an apology that never happened???

In general, I have nothing but deep respect for preachers, priests, ministers, and those who serve the Lord. But there are bad apples in every profession who selfishly make their peers look bad.

So then he returns, in a most un-Christian-like manner, without having the decency or humility to acknowledge that he lied to us again, and smears me with this bullshit:



Now how about that... an apology from the preacher for not debating "with humility and respect"... and then using Biblical references, along with the name of Jesus, to preface another personal smear in the same paragraph!

So no oldstarfire, this wasn't a useless thread. I believe it was intended as a useful tool for a complete fraud to attempt to pick up where he left off two months ago by dishonestly smearing me and jOe. And it was edited to post some off-topic nonsense about funding his long weekend mission trips. I'd like to know what that has to do with the subject of doubles or Damascus barrels? I don't think I'll be donating to this "operation" without seeing income tax returns. Just my opinion, as always, based upon what is posted here.

I don't think I'm the only one who wants to know why the preacher dishonestly claimed that jOe made an apology to him that never happened.

I just don't think this kind of crap is going to work out well for him.

Drew, It's good to have you back here again. Don't let the gnats bother you. It will frost soon and they'll be gone.

Dr. Haus, your posts are always an education for me. Thanks. Please don't feed the trolls and continue with your excellent work on many fronts, humanitarian and engineering.

Keith I forgive him for telling a little fib about me apologizin to him.....I've known people before that thought it ok to hide behind the cloth.

Doc you ever consider becoming Catholic so you can go to confession daily ?

jOe, I don't feel inclined to forgive the preacher because he hasn't repented for his lies and personal attacks. I see no reason to think his behavior will change. I'd still like to know why this Bible thumping man of the cloth dishonestly accepted an apology when it didn't really happen... and then went out of his way to claim he isn't a liar. And I'm not one to take my foot off the neck of the snake so it can bite me again.

And you know, I'm kinda shocked to learn that our Google Guru of Damascus appears to be a lot like Jagermeister on steroids. With all that copy-and-paste Google research he provides, I naturally thought he probably had a lot of hands on experience with Damascus barreled guns. Now we learn that he has one ratty L.C. Smith O grade with questionable barrels. And for some time, he owned none at all. The idea that he is offering guys his "expert" opinion on their guns when he's apparently very thin on actual experience is a pathetic joke. Maybe you and I could build a website with copy-and-paste research and pictures from NASA and pawn ourselves off as astrophysicists or something.

I guess it explains why my statement that you can be anything you want here on the internet hit such a sensitive nerve with him. I'm not surprised to see Argo44 calling us trolls and praising this puke. Birds of a feather...

Great to see you back posting, Drew. Keep up the good work. I've had Keith on ignore for years; Joe joined him much more recently. Makes this a much more pleasant place to visit.

And along comes Muzlim lOving Larry brOwn....

dOc anyone ever convert any Muslims to Christianity and live to tell about it ?

Thanks Larry. Just as easy to scroll past, but sometimes you miss outrageous lies that really can't be ignored...like I don't use a damascus gun. Never really expected that jOe would be gentleman enough to apologize...but hope is a good thing.
Keith will like this one...and BTW that pathetic LC is a treasured gift from a real gentleman...and my self image is not tied to the gun I chose to use...and it's fun to shake up the "experts" out at Ben Avery

John Howe "Sermons on The Prosperous State of the Christian Interest Before the End of Time", 1678
Plain it is, there is not a more stupifying, benumbing thing in all the world than mere despair. To look upon such a sad face and aspect of things through the world as we have before our eyes; to look upon it despairingly and with the apprehension that (this Forum) never will, never can be better...But hope is a kind of anticipated enjoyment and gives a present participation in the expected pleasantness of those days, how long soever they may yet be off from us...

Dr. Drew,

Thanks as always for sharing. It's funny timing, as I just was reading through an old thread on another forum from a decade ago, where you were debating the "illustrious" Randy Wakeman on the inherent safety of Damascus barrels.

I wonder if he is still enamored of his own expertise on the matter.

Personally, I try to caution people specifically about guns which are both high grade, and high condition. I point out that the more engraving they have, the more dangerous they typically are. And, that's the whole reason that high grade Lefever is still in a safe after all these years. Because your grandfather, recognizing its inherent danger, wisely locked it away so no one could be injured. THAT'S why it's in mint condition! Because it's just too dangerous to even touch.

As such, I'm [selflessly] always willing to accept these guns to...um...relieve people of the burden. My civic duty, frankly.

- Nudge

Bro. Nudge: Randy and I have reached an (unspoken) détente.

I do believe this was directed toward him with a bit of condescension worked in

Mike George, Technical Editor, “ShootingUK”
http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/answers/what-is-fluid-steel-and-is-it-stronger-than-damascus-steel-13767
“In the USA there is one chap who is active on websites who believes that all Damascus steel barrels are so dangerous they should be destroyed.”
http://www.randywakeman.com/WhyYouShouldStayAwayfromDamascusBarrels.htm
“But then you are likely to get piffle like this from a nation that does not have gun barrel proof legislation.”
(Piffle: “pseudo-scientific trivial nonsense, baloney”)

Yes indeed, Keith will like this one. I like it because it further illustrates what kind of man the preacher is.

Did he return to acknowledge the lie he told in the very first line of this thread, when he accepted an apology from jOe that wasn't even made?



Here's jOe's reply again, for those who desperately wish to ignore the fact that the preacher is a devious serpent:



No, this turd is back with another personal insult slamming jOe again as not being gentlemanly enough to apologize:



But what would you expect from a devious serpent who made his own apology for not "debating with humility and respect", and immediately followed up with another of his personal attacks on me, using Biblical references and Jesus's name to launch it?

But the important thing for him now is to harp on a statement jOe made in the original "Shooting Damascus barrels" thread which addressed a past correspondence where he had admitted that he no longer owned any Damascus guns:



The preacher refuses to acknowledge his own lies, but can't let go of the fact that jOe was operating on a truth that had been given to him by the preacher.

But when he wants everyone to think he is a Damascus expert, I guess it becomes important to denigrate anyone who points out that he had no Damascus guns while he was creating his copy-and-paste Google Guru of Damascus persona. But now he has one ratty L.C. Smith O grade Damascus gun with barrels struck dangerously thin, and is soliciting guys to come to him for his expert opinion.

I wonder if he was "debating the "illustrious" Randy Wakeman on the inherent safety of Damascus barrels" during the time he had none. Funny to see a guy so very thin on actual experience propping himself up as some kind of expert.

This guy makes Jagermeister, the double gun expert who didn't own any doubles, look pretty good.

Just my opinion, as always, based upon what is posted here.

I'm going to chose a unilateral détente with you Keith. YOU WIN. I freely admit to being a lying, low-life, narcissistic, holier-than-thou, know nothing faker with pathetic guns, who contrary to your implication is not gay, nor a socialist, and strongly support our 2nd Amendment rights (this IS Arizona and I'm on the armed security team at church). Nor am I a Fudd, FAG, window licker (cruel of you Keith) or libtard (Jim's favorite and incredibly hurtful to any parent of a developmentally disabled child). I'm sure I missed something. Having my period? Menopause? Lost my cojones? Only one of us has a license allowing one to make a psychiatric diagnosis - but that could be fake tOO!

You are losing your touch but the "brain eating parasite" was clever, and actually possible, as is Zika, Dengue, Chikungunya, and Malaria

Please don't start on my dog - I had to put him down last summer, bird season is coming up, and I still feel like part of my heart is gone.



The church start we've invested 3 1/2 years of blood, sweat, $s, and tears into may not make it (no, I'm not the pastor), and I've got another relaxing long weekend in Guatemala coming up. I really have no more energy for this and it's not entertaining or fun anymore.

So insult and bait all you want. jOe can too. I'll try not to respond with "un-needed comments on useless threads like this one" unless it gets too outrageous, and won't block either of you. You have NO knowledge of the PM and email interactions I had with Jim or Francis, or the BS RWTF tried to pull on the LCSCA site, so please leave that lay - they're not here anymore.

And I'll save you the "what does any of this have to do with double guns?" - as if we have any rules of decorum or subject matter on this non-moderated forum

Sorry to learn of Dirk's passing, Drew. They leave a huge whole. I had to say goodbye to Max a few weeks ago. Feels like a piece of me is gone.

Take care.

Wow Drew, that's some detente there. I don't think even Satan himself could have done such a masterful job of weaving such an insincere admission of deception with a heart rending photo of a deceased bird dog, and more thinly veiled personal insults.

You say you "really have no more energy for this and it's not entertaining or fun anymore." Yet you keep coming back with more of your bullshit. Well bro Drew, tell you what... I am having lot's of fun watching you slowly reveal yourself.

You may not wish for anyone to recall this, but this brouhaha all started with another of your personal attacks on me a bit over two months ago. I had been adhering to a truce brokered by one of your buddies here ever since your 2016 "Down One" personal attack on JamesM, DaveK, and myself:

The Preacher's Spiritual Call to Launch a Personal Attack

You got your ass handed to you then, and went into exile for a couple months, and then came back with a vengeance a couple days ago, along with more personal attacks and lies.

I see that you have made many edits to your post to add more derision, deception, and attacks, and once again claim that I have no knowledge of the PM or email interactions you had with Jim or Francis after you personally attacked them. But that is incorrect too. I'll give you more line on that before I set the hook if you wish to keep looking stupid. I also find it interesting that you want to let the subject of Jim and Francis lay since they are no longer here anymore. That didn't stop you from making another personal attack on Jim on 7/5/18 in your post # 517593, did it? I don't think Satan himself could be any more deceptive.

By the way, the reason I frequently mention all the totally off-topic crap you post here which has nothing to do with double guns is in response to the bitching and whining you and all your fellow Fake Ass Gentlemen (F.A.G.'s) do when there is a discussion supporting gun rights. Many of you claim to be big 2nd Amendment supporters, but your actions and defenses of our anti-gun trolls suggests more deception.

So if this is your idea of detente, game on! I have lot's of energy for this, and I'm not taking my foot off of the neck of the snake in this disingenuous little charade.

Non-moderated forums are not for everyone. I can't tell Dave how to run his business, but I hate to see this forum fail from immigration to other sites...Geo

I know you can't have any problem with anything I've posted Geo, because you say you IGNORE my posts.

Do you think having fakes, frauds, guys who announce detente as a precursor to more personal attacks, or anti-2nd Amendment crap from anti-gun trolls does anything to keep people here on this site?

I sure wish you had posted these concerns when guys like PA24 and JamesM left due to all the Liberal Left bullshit and personal attacks.

I guess you won't see this either, right?

Very sorry to hear about the passing of your dog. Nothing quite hurts like that. He was a very handsome bird dog, my condolences.

Steve

Thank you Steve and Marc. My wife keeps asking when we're going to get another and I'm really not sure I'm man enough to endure that pain again.

NOT happy about the boots - I gave up. Hard to train a dog smarter than you are



Game's over Keith. You won. Should I contact Dave for my participation trophy?

Ah the sweet peace of victory through surrender! Galatians 5:1

Well, I've heard that before too, several times in fact. And it turned out to be more deceptive bullshit.

Would you like to deny that?

I won't be taking my foot off the snake's neck anytime soon, after once again getting dragged through your sewage, and exposed to more attacks from your friends. Besides, I don't think your demons are all gone yet. I just don't trust you.

Can I please have a different participation trophy than that blood spurtin' crucifix? I'm a Reform Baptist

Drew....Listen to your wife. The pain is terrible but oh the joy they bring us. Very best to you.
Steve

Brother, I feel your pain in the loss of Dirk, I too had to have my setter Max put down December 23, 2015 due to cancer. He was going to be eight the following June.
Here he is at 14 months in the back yard on quail, loved to hunt.

Max is a nice looking dog David. Sorry you lost him at such a young age.

I'll bet you would never besmirch his memory by using his photo to deflect attention in a thread here after you got busted engaging in deceptive behavior, and a series of personal attacks centered around Biblical references. What kind of man would even think of doing such a thing?

I can think of a few guys who probably wish they had thought to do such a disingenuous thing when they got caught stepping in their own lies and hypocrisy. I won't be fooled by it when it happens.

This is what detente and surrender looks like nowadays! I don't make the rules... I just go with the flow. Just warming up.