https://www.gunbroker.com/item/994476884

are the colors bone and charcoal or cyanide or chemical compound or torch or?

Well Ed this could get interesting...

But to answer your question, I think its Cyanide.

Here you go ed. I guess you have forgotten these threads from 2009, but have successfully baited a response to your every 3 month sincere seeking of case color knowledge
https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=129981
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=128436

The images are gone from those threads, so here's the real thing for Forum members genuinely interested.

Note the "ghosting" around the pins.





Marlin era Smith with original cyanide colors



Original, but faded, Parker colors



C.J. Opacak bone charcoal re-color







A twofer - cyanide AND torch



This is nice



Please spare us the victim routine ed. You accomplished your goal.

Cyanide colors are nothing new.
Some turn-of-the-century hardware store singles had bone charcoal colors - an Iver Johnson. Note the 'ghosting' again



Harrington & Richardson cyanide colors

At one point Krieghoff actions were reportedly Bohler chrome-molybdenum-vanadium but now are (likely - they ain't saying nor is Beretta's "Tri-alloy") AISI 4340 Cr/Mo/Ni
It is hard to obtain bone charcoal case colors with 4140 or 4340.
AISI 8620 (also Cr/Mo/Ni) is more easily case hardened (carburized), or nitrided

Reportedly Krieghoff was using some form of chemical coloring for the actions that are not silver nitride
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/krieghoff-case-color-hardening.260887/

K-80 Super Scroll possibly chemically colored - no 'ghosting'



This is likely bone charcoal with the 'ghosting'
https://www.dupontkguns.com/kriegho...ardened-k-80-receiver-iron-only-135309r/



Lots of examples here
http://www.paxtonarms.com/Krieghoff.htm

Giacomo offers cyanide "tiger stripe" coloring and bone charcoal to re-color Perazzi

Early on Hunter Arms used bone charcoal on the Fulton guns



but late switched to cyanide colors

wow, what a plethera of data images of a variery of shotgun case colors...

valuable indeed for future reference...in fact, so valuable to change the name of this thread to:

"shotgun case reference guide"


and it would be valuable if others would ad images of shotgun case colors not referenced above...

original or redo, so long as ided as such...

I always like the colors that come from Richard St. Ledger in Birmingham. I believe he is used by Purdey and Westley Richards today, although not 100% certain on that.

kip, thats great...

it would be wonderful if you would post an image of st ledgers colors...

here are a couple of more...

original savage fox colors from the thirties:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/995069534

original grulla colors from the nineties:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/995771038

Ha ha ha he got you guys!!! Another shameless bait and switch!! You guys are suckers!!!

ra, even you are welcome to post case color images here...

keep in mind that what ever you say here will be recorded for the life of this fine forum...

be careful least you wind up on the list of mal contents...

Fully understood, but possibly someone could be helped with our efforts. This thread will eventually pop up when googling "Case Colors"

A Turnbull restored 20g Monogram with remarkable case colors



Cyanide re-colored

This topic would be better suited under someone else, who has more more Creedence on this board. Someone that will do this topic better justice for the curious than a thinly veiled sales ad for guns that he can’t sell. The OP knows exactly what he is doing. If the op wants this topic to be seen with integrity maybe he should delete his sales ad. Dave makes it quite clear

“And as a reminder...advertising on the BBS...is not allowed.”

Remington 1894



1900

IMHO the deep blues and rose of Ithaca colors are very attractive

Flues



NID

Good reading
https://shootingsportsman.com/color-case-hardening/

http://www.aabrownandsons.com/assets/files/FieldCH.pdf

Daryl posted this c. 1900 Torkelson Arms Co. with cyanide colors

A.J. Aubrey Model 34



The New Aubrey Model 58



Meriden Fire Arms Model



I believe the colors are cyanide. Opinions?

Lowly Crescent used bone charcoal

American Gun Co.



No. 60 Empire Hammerless



New Empire No. 88

It is hard to find high case colors condition pre-WWI Belgian tradename doubles. This is a c. 1900 Union Machine Co. by Simones, Janssen & Dumoulin.
SJ&D also tradenamed Prize Machine Gun, The Interchangable, The International, The Continental (carried by Granny on the Beverly Hillbillies), W.H. Hamilton, H.S. Brown,; often marked with the June 20, 1883 T.J. Bovy patent.
I suspect most tradename guns had case colors similar to that of U.S. makers



Pre-WW1 Francotte VL&D 14E 20g



This is a very nice 1942 Deforney Super Saive 20g






We've got a good collection of U.S. maker's colors, but I couldn't find a high condition Lefever. Could someone please post an image?

More from Ed with comments by Drew and 2piper:
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=512808&page=1

Discussion of French shotgun case colors with pictures still up:
Jaspage - case coloring
Jaspé(e) - case colored
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=489548

Per Drew's request. Lefever H Grade, 16ga, 1909

Thank you.
Small images, but also with primarily indigo colors

I haven't been able to find pre-WWII Spanish doubles with decent case colors.
It appears into the 60s some were bone charcoal

Ugartechea



AYA No. 3



A more recent AYA No. 4 with what I believe is chemical colors



Nice Arrieta 578 with bone charcoal



A $15,000 Armas Garbi Model 101 at William Larkin Moore with cyanide colors

Sorry Drew but the picture of the second Parker is an early one of mine not Dr Gaddy’s….his were much nicer 😉

All best

Claudio

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...amp;id=100015330733933&sfnsn=scwspmo
Jaspage au bain de cyanure.

Ad today on Gun Broker for a French Saint-Etienne 12 ga SxS boxlock, barrels made by Didier Drevet 1907 - 12466?? chamber marked in cm 6.5. Gun was marketed apparently in Dieppe. Pretty gun; particularly like the stock. The seller claims the case colors (Jaspage) are original or a well done remake. Any comments on the case colors?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/998258318

i've been watching that french gun for some time now....seller is slowly reducing the price - i think he started at $1500. i find the checkering pattern on the typically french "semi pistol grip" knob strikingly handsome....and the gun as a whole is tempting. that's a long time for original case colors to remain as crisp as they appear, but the overall condition of the gun shows little wear, and i don't see any telltale signs of refinishing - or, if so, the workman was very capable.

best regards,

tom

i spoke for this gun this morning....will be interesting to have it in hand. seller says it is quite pretty, and in fine condition. he is a lefty, and it has something approaching 1/2" of cast-off - said he was considering sending it to mike orlen, with a request to try for 1/4" cast-on....i told him that would be a pretty tall order for a small wristed stock. ended up agreeing on $950 for the gun.

best regards,

tom

With that stock, scroll back boxlock action filing, and Didier-Drevet barrels. . .that seems well worthwhile and a very good buy. And Tom you know French guns. It is both historic and fine to look at.

I was tempted; French wife said if I buy another shotgun, no matter the price, she's going to go out and spend $35K for a Chanel purse in Paris (Is this even possible?).

Sweet!!.........:)

The title of this thread is "shotgun case color reference guide". I have shotgun cases in every color from brown to blue to grey to green to khaki.

LMK if photos are needed.

I have a really nice Westley Richards double gun case for two guns it's brown leather.