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The catalog rendering shows a pointed receiver boss, where others are rounded. Is one style rare or are both styles common?
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The early "The Sterlingworth Company" guns had a rounded front for the side panel of the frames. According to my list of observed specimens that was changed to the same pointed profile as the graded guns by #51,301. The gun pictured in The Sterlingworth Co. catalogue has the rounded profile. The guns at the $25 price point before WW-I were all quite good quality. Parker Bros. introduced their Trojan Grade in 1912, at $25.50 but by the next price sheet it was $27.50. The Trojan and the Sterlingworth stayed at these prices into 1916, then the inflationary pressures of The Great War began forcing the prices up with Fox's Sterlingworth going to $30. By 1917 it was up to $37.50. In early 1919 it was $47.75 and by late 1919 it was $55, as was Parker Bros. Trojan. In 1922 A.H. Fox Gun Co. dropped the price of their Sterlingworth to $48 and for 1926 they dropped the price to $36.50, and eventually sold about 140000 guns. Parker Bros. kept the price and the workmanship of the Trojan in the $50 range and eventually sold just over 33000. Fox's Sterlingworth did offer ejectors, a single selective trigger and a much greater variety of barrel lengths than Parker's Trojan.
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To me, the Philadelphia Arms guns are the most interesting in regards to the Parker connection. It has so many features that are similar to Parkers.
The hinge pin, the frame sculpting, the engraving. The forend latches and irons on these guns look to have come right out of a Parker parts bin. Even the rib matting and makers mark is almost identical, right down to the arrows on each end of the roll stamp.
The Sterlingworth guns' similarities end at the hinge pin.
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I have a pin gun numbered 52607 with 28" m&f barrels. What I got from the web was a 1903 DOM . Cant be sure
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I have a pin gun numbered 52607 with 28" m&f barrels. What I got from the web was a 1903 DOM . Cant be sure Probably late 1910. You can get a letter on it from the Savage historian -- http://www.foxcollectors.com/ah_fox/content/factory_letters.html
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The original Parker hinge pin was a single piece was pressed in and the ends were not stepped. They eventually went to a two piece design that had stepped end and a slotted screw on the other separate end.
I am sure Brian knows this, this pin is not the hinge pin on a Parker, it secures the "roll" in the frame, the roll is the hinge pin. It is a feature in that the hinge pin was easy to change with an over size one.
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I have three Sterlingworth "Pin Guns" and the "pin" is different in each one --   March 1910, The Sterlingworth Co., top. July 1912, A.H. Fox Gun Co. Sterlingworth, middle. August 1913, A.H. Fox Gun Co. Sterlingworth Ejector, bottom.
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I am sure Brian knows this, this pin is not the hinge pin on a Parker, it secures the "roll" in the frame, the roll is the hinge pin. It is a feature in that the hinge pin was easy to change with an over size one. [/quote]
Of course. Just the use of terminology can be confusing. "Roll joint pin". Although most refer to it as a "hinge pin".
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