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Doug, I seem to recall that you're the guy who complained about the southern schools.

And yes, I criticize things such as creationism but I don't trash-talk posters on this forum just because of their political beliefs. I will trash-talk crap schools, right-wing conspiracy theories but I do not make ad hominem attacks just because someone has different political beliefs.

You guys are always complaining about welfare recipients; I don't like poor schools and parents who don't care about what their kids learn.

If that's a difference in your mind, so be it.

Gnomon, I think you have me mixed up with somebody else...check your facts....

You were orginally addressing Geo. Newbern....from Georgia....

Some of you misunderstand foreign engineering students. They don�t outclass Americans. They are cheap and easy to control.

The human resource desires of corporations have been allowed to shape national education and immigration policy. CEO's want cheap skilled labor and the government delivers. It is manipulation of the labor market. Surprisingly (or not) liberals can�t grasp this. When you love multiculturalism�

If there really were a shortage of engineers, starting salaries would increase. Starting salaries have been long flat when adjusted for inflation.

Imagine the leverage one has as the sponsoring employer of an H1-B status foreign worker. You don�t like the job? Smell you later and enjoy the flight home to Pakistan [censored].

The simple fact that politicians say we need more engineers should cause everyone to suspect we really don�t.

I apologize - I didn't go back and check and relied on my crappy memory.

Sorry

ryan - fascinating post. I didn't know pols were saying we needed more engineers.


"CEO's want cheap skilled labor and the government delivers. It is manipulation of the labor market. Surprisingly (or not) liberals can�t grasp this. When you love multiculturalism�"

I'm perfectly willing to believe this because all markets are manipulated and industry has bought the gov't. It has nothing to do with your concept of multiculturalism. The bottom line seems (to me) to be that Americans don't want to put in the really hard work to do EE at MIT or ME at CalTech.

Altho I'm not an engineer I'm on several boards and this flies contrary to what I've heard so I will specifically ask about these points.

Now let me pose this query to you: If you are correct and the gov't is keeping engineering wages down, isn't that good? Doesn't that make us more competitive?

If WalMart wages can be kept down by subsidizing their workers with food stamps and teacher pay be kept down by breaking unions, why shouldn't engineer salaries be held down by importing foreign labor?

Gnomoron says above that he doesn't make ad hominum attacks. What the hell does the liar call this? It was only two days ago. Does he think we forgot?

An idiot is someone with an I.Q. of less than 25. An imbecile is someone with an I.Q. of 26-50. Through the use of sneaky wording, Gnomoron referred to someone as being either an idiot or an imbecile just because they used the same moniker that the L.A. Times used to refer to Obama. I think that's a bit meaner than me calling Gnomoron a moron (I.Q. of 51-70. Of course, that's just my generous nature coming through.

But Gnomoron uses this same technique very often here. That's just fine. What's not so fine are his pious proclamations that he doesn't engage in such nastiness. It's just more of his usual dishonesty. I really couldn't care less when he insulted me. But I don't like being lied to or lied about. His Liberal lies which are intended to drum up support for an anti-gun president are especially egregious.

Is it possible that you aren't reading the posts, and just stereotyping. Seems to me, the longest 'discussions' are about liberal in general and the current administrations actions in particular. Try not to forget, real issues. I can see personal attacks against some folks here, but if you look back, you have very little policy, action and result criticism of Romney. But, you have personal attacks against him that mirror lib talking points, not accomplishments.

Take for instance your second sentence here. I read condescending distraction, but let's assume there's a point here. For starters 12% of....what? Fifty year old white guys who don't have high school diplomas? How about this, make the rest of the 98% of the country work and pay taxes, because it's a 'great country'.

Say a handful of those whities fend for themselves in this world, why not give the rest of them, which they are drawing anyway, entitlement welfare. Since you were able to identify the problem and pose the dilemma, why is the answer womens reproductive rights, antisemitism and more debt. See how easy it is to get off track and start bashing crazy right wingers. I don't think anyone here cares about how you tend to your preferences, can you blame them for pushing back when you want to force compliance to your values.

You shouldn't pick on that slow southern kid who has different values than you. I bet he's more likely to take care of grandpas old Parker so he can use it for squirrel season with his dad, than any of the kids at that stuffy chitown hs. Bet most of those kids are at the fancy school because their old man wants bragging rights at the country club and high end child care. Bet part of you fancy secular education is gun bashing. Start 'em young and demonize the progunners as right wing extremists. Whew, just mak'in sh...stuff up.

craig, I don't " want to force compliance to your values." I don't know where you get this stuff. Republicans keep introducing legislation regarding women's reproductive issues - that's trying to force compliance with values.

"You shouldn't pick on that slow southern kid who has different values than you. I bet he's more likely to take care of grandpas old Parker so he can use it for squirrel season with his dad, than any of the kids at that stuffy chitown hs. Bet most of those kids are at the fancy school because their old man wants bragging rights at the country club and high end child care. Bet part of you fancy secular education is gun bashing. Start 'em young and demonize the progunners as right wing extremists. Whew, just mak'in sh...stuff up."

Glad you understand you're making stuff up.

But the morning news brought some terrible info - we are under attack again in Libya and Egypt.

Time to totally isolate those countries - nobody out; none of us in. No trade (we don't need them) no banking, no nuttin.

You think Rev. wrights tUrd is going to get reelected ?

Found in the parking lot of a grocery store in Menominee, Michigan....



The 1 in 7 Americans currently on Food Stamps certainly appreciate the opportunity to dine on Lobster and Porterhouse Steak at YOUR EXPENSE......What's for dinner at your house tonight....?