I visited Federal a few years ago and saw their machines busily cranking out Estates. The Federal people told us that what they got when they bought Estate was some very good, modern machines to turn out shells. Went from the specialty brand it had been to something more on the order of Federal's promotional brand--but still decent stuff (speaking of the American-made Estates). My personal preference for factory loads, however, is the Remington Gun Club. Cheaper than the top brand stuff, but the hulls reload very well. Darned near as good as STS hulls.