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Type 56 with under-folding spike bayonet and receiver full of rivets. With one of those in your hands you would be like "Mullah Habib Abdullah". If buying new I would probably pick Arsenal with side-folding stock.
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Type 56 with under-folding spike bayonet and receiver full of rivets. With one of those in your hands you would be like "Mullah Habib Abdullah". If buying new I would probably pick Arsenal with side-folding stock. The quality of the Arsenal builds is generally considered to be excellent. Jim
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Jim and Jaeger - thank you. This ad has "Arsenal" in it - "These rifles are brand new & come with 16 inch chrome lined barrels , side mount rail for mounting optics, 1 ten round mag & all new construction in the famous Russian IZHMASH Arsenal.They do not use standard AK mags but will work with the Sure fire 30 round hi cap magazines" http://www.gunsinternational.com/Saiga-AK-47-Sporter-Style-Rifle-7-62X39mm.cfm?gun_id=100425504 Is that gun made by the Arsenal manufacturer you are talking about?
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If you wanted one for hunting Mike that's probably a decent way to go. The ones I own were purposefully assembled as defensive weapons should the need ever arise.
I personally wouldn't want an example that didn't take standard AK magazines. This could be a BIG drawback under some circumstances.
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Mike: IMO that's on the pricy side. Shop around for a bit and do some comparisons. However; I guess the days of the $400 AK built from a kit are now gone!
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Thank you Jim. But is the last one by the Arsenal manufacturer you and Jaeger recommended?
Will shop around.
Sorry to be so tiresome!
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AmarilloMike,
Regarding "clips" - there are two basic designs. The stripper clip, or "charger" as known by the Brits, is designed to load the magazine and then be discarded. It doesn't enter the magazine. The en bloc clip used in the M1 Garand is retained in the magazine until the last round is fired and then it is ejected. In Mannlicher rifles the clip is retained until the last round is chambered when it falls out through the bottom of the magazine.
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Mike:
I haven't been in the AK market for quite some time but I do remember Arsenal having other models.
It's still possible to find a kit on Gunbroker, usually with a newly made domestic barrel, and have it built yourself.
This of course will give you more latitude on configuration and options.
Despite whats been insinuated by others I've never run across a poor example military surplus kit.** I don't really find much difference in them although there has always been a preference for the Russian kits when they were available.
Jim
**The Romanian ones were claimed to be inferior when they were 1st imported but I didn't find this to be the case nor did multiple builders I know find this to be the case. At around $100 per kit including the barrel they were a real bargain in retrospect and I wish I'd put some of these kits away.
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The design is so simple and forgiving a design that even the WASR does what it was designed to do--go "pop" when the trigger is pulled with another round chambered after extraction and ejection.
There was a reported incident (according to Col. David Hackworth) where an AK-47 was recovered from a bulldozed site in VN during a fire base construction. It was found buried alongside a VC corpse. "One story, plucked by Kahaner from the Vietnam memoir of Colonel David Hackworth, illustrates the issues. Hackworth came across an accidentally exposed Viet Cong gravesite, yanked out a mud-caked AK, pulled back the bolt, and fired off thirty rounds as if the gun had just been cleaned. "This was the kind of weapon our solders needed and deserved, not the M-16 that had to be hospital cleaned or it would jam," wrote Hackworth."
The Gun, by CJ Chivers, is a good read about the history of the AK-47. If I recall correctly, he writes that it is even made in street bazaars by gunsmiths in Pakistan. Yes, the milled receivers are nice to have if and when you can find one, but they are no more reliable than one punched or stamped out of steel. Imprecise and loose tolerances of parts and design are what contribute to its reliability and not machined, milled or hand-fitted parts. The AK-47 is the Remington 870 pump of military long guns.
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