Gunflint, you and Jack are from a state that elected a pro rassler as Gov. Says something about political acumen up there in Minnesota.:) Back when Ventura was your guy, our gov's wife got off a good shot: "If you want an encyclopedia torn in half, see the governor of Minnesota. If you want it read, see the governor of Iowa."

Seriously, there used to be some decent liberals--but note the past tense. Take a good look at the liberal wing of the Democratic Party and see if you can come up with some worthy examples. Not that there aren't good Dems, like the "blue dog" types recently elected that support gun rights. But they're not in the liberal wing.