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Could use some help. I traded a Beretta O/U for a damascus barreled lever lock 16 hammer gun with back action locks and modest engraving. This doesn't thin the herd, but does bring in some more interesting stock! My questions are: Has anyone any knowledge of a P Werlig in Ferlach? What is the DOB? Quite hard to read! Is the *9840 the serial No.? What would be the damascus pattern? [img:left] http://20171123_084115[/img] [img:left] http://20171123_083400[/img] Hope the pictures work, things like this get pretty cryptic for 72 year olds! Thanks for any insights! Welder
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Well, they didn't! Guess I need some help!
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What were you using to send your picture? You must use a picture hosting service like www.hunt101.com or other Mike
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USAF RET 1971-95 ![[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]](http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/57865_80x60.jpg)
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Another try! (With some tutoring from Mike!)     Appreciate any insights anyone has! Watertable markings are very blurred - either the Austrians made more guns than we know, or so few that they felt no need to harden them! Welder
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Right off, I don't recognize Büchsenmacher P. Werlig in Österreich, buy maybe Jani will chime in.... But from the marks I can read & if it does not wear a preliminary datastring on the lower rib, I'd hazard a guess the Jones Underlever platform experienced proof between 1891 & 1897. Better image of the chalked marks & water-table might net you some info?
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The barrels are 2 Iron Damas Crolle. Love the rib pattern embellishment, which would be spectacular refinished in "black & white" as were many Ferlach barrels http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/20069190
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Ferlacher Waffenfabriksgesellschaft Peter Wernig, Ferlach, Kärnten
What about this cat? Moose Snoot of Sweden was kind enough to forward an advert of his to me.
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Again some lovely tid-bits of info unearthed by Moose Snoot of Sweden:
Peter Wernig hung out his gun making shingle in the early 1870s(either 1873 or 1871 - or somewhere in between) and he paid for & attained the rank/title or became kaiserlich und königlich and / or Hoflieferant/Hof-Waffenfabrikant in early November 1898. This hat allowed him to provide Emperor Menelik of Abyssinia a Vierlaufgewehre, system Wernig, which more than likely was based on his Vierlaufgewehr patent of 1884?
Then in mid 1907 he or his heirs either sold the business or let it slip into receivership(Laibacher Bankverein or Kreditbank????) and the business was rebadged as a GmbH (Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung). I see to recall Jani noting that the Ferlach mechanics were originally from either Czech or an area of Slovenia. But evidently it was bad press in 1907/1908 to sell to a Slovenian business so his royal title was stripped??? Peter Wernig appeared to want to shed his German Hunting Coat(possibly a metaphor??) and was worried that an influx of Slovenia mechanics would siphon off Ferlacher jobs?(Jani put us on the straight & narrow here). The rebranded name looks to have been: – “Prva levroska orozno tevarniska druzba Peter Wernig druzba samejenozavezo Borovlje – Korosko” with the German equivalent being "Erste Ferlacher Waffenfabrik Peter Wernig k.u.k. Hoflieferant in Ferlach, GmbH” with the the k.u.k. Hoflieferant title dropping off the adverts in 1908.
More to come I'm sure.
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That's interesting, please thank Moose Snoot! It's amazing what info and knowledge this site has or can come up with.
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Peter Wernig was one of the largest Ferlach gunmakers before WWI. He started at age 18 as a barrel forger. By 1867 he sold his first batch of complete guns. By late 1800s he had some 50 men working for him. In 1907 he sold his business to a group of Slovenian investors who organized a limited company but he remained a stock holder. He died just after WWI. This is only a short extraction from the chapter on him in my new book manuscript.
If you carefuly dechipher the numbers (with all the points) on the gun the year of production or rather proofing should show up. Is the gun marked WP by any chance?
With kind regards,
Jani
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