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Let's try taking the perps in the most tragic of shootings in the last five years and try to determine which of these shooting would have been prevented if the perps had been properly identified for their bad history and taken off the streets. I don't know the exact number, but it would be "most of them". There are very few surprises in mass shootings. How many "perps" who have lied on their 4473 forms are in jail or even identified by name. My guess is maybe three. In fifty years, I have never lied on a 4473 form, yet I am still delayed every time I try to purchase a 100 year old shotgun. Yet I am still supposed to respect the system that is supposed to keep us safe. Give me a break.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
I don't see how poked and prodded is relevant, craig. Isn't assessment of mental health to determine sanity a condition of going to trial?

First, I was thinking, an extremely very few of these clowns get to be studied. Maybe, he'll help build a profile that'll end up helping to identify these lefties, oops just kidding. But, to your point, if he is unable to go to trial because he is not responsible for his actions, who, or more specifically what will be demonized for breaking the law? Anyhow, do we have to accept the consequences, more gun control, or do some have a point that these vermin laugh through a bullhorn while they slip through the cracks?

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There are a lot of laughs, that's for sure. When these events happen, I don't think of gun control. I think knee-jerk without real thinking, it must be another nut. Common people don't do these things. I wondered about reports that his treatment ended at a certain age.

As far as consequences go, as a voter I'm responsible partly for our gun control, which isn't a liberal as yours. I've always felt that I don't want persons walking around in my public space with firearms concealed or otherwise and definitely not AR15s.

A majority here thinks similarly so we live with consequences that some Americans and Canadians consider slavishly deferential, authoritarian and lacking freedom but they're our laws, rightly or wrongly, justified or otherwise.
There is no reason to believe anything will change your way, as I've been saying since I joined the board.

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Originally Posted By: eightbore
Yet I am still supposed to respect the system that is supposed to keep us safe. Give me a break.


Hey, look on the bright side, eightbore. They just spent how many millions to indict some Russians that will never see the inside of a court room for doing what Hill did to Bernie? Dont you feel safe?


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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....I've always felt that I don't want persons walking around in my public space with firearms concealed or otherwise and definitely not AR15s....

If you put a little lip stick on it and convert it to twelve gauge, wouldn't you end up with a clackity-clack duck gun?

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Touche. Got me there, craig.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Touche. Got me there, craig.


Every now and then craigd comes up with a good one. A lot of times I dont know what the hell hes trying to say though


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Originally Posted By: King Brown

As far as consequences go, as a voter I'm responsible partly for our gun control, which isn't a liberal as yours. I've always felt that I don't want persons walking around in my public space with firearms concealed or otherwise and definitely not AR15s.

A majority here thinks similarly so we live with consequences that some Americans and Canadians consider slavishly deferential, authoritarian and lacking freedom but they're our laws, rightly or wrongly, justified or otherwise.
There is no reason to believe anything will change your way, as I've been saying since I joined the board.


Gee King, you sound so reasonable when you're being dishonest. But why would you think you can reinvent yourself when there is someone like me who won't let you get away with that crap anymore? It is a teeny bit refreshing to see you taking some responsibility for Canadian Gun Control laws which are the result of people like you supporting anti-gunners. But as a voter, you are 100% responsible for anti-gun outcomes, because none of us can know going into the voting booth whether our ballot will tip the election. And I thought you said you weren't going to bring politics into this Board anymore, but that was another lie too.

Of course, strict gun laws are no guarantee of safety. I keep asking your anti-2nd Amendment pal Jagermeister what kind of ownership and storage requirements we should impose on Tractor-Trailers and/or Muslims to prevent the type of mass homicide that killed 86 and injured 458 in Nice France on July 14, 2016. Like you, he pretends he doesn't even see those tough questions. Where there is the will to kill, deranged murderers will find a way. As 3D Printing becomescheaper and more widespread, banned guns and weapons will find their way into the wrong hands, especially in places like Australia and Canada where they are tougher to acquire by conventional means. We have strict laws against use and possession of heroin and opioids, but 64,00 people died in the U.S from using them in 2016. That's far more than were killed by AR-15's, but Liberal Left Socialists like you want to ban guns and keep the southern border open to the flow of illegal drugs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printed_firearms

And we know how easy it was for you yourself to illegally fly across the U.S.- Canadian Border with a handgun on multiple occasions. If you don't respect the law, why would you think other criminals will? Do you recall calling me a liar about that, even after I produced a direct QUOTE from you admitting to the crime of illegal transport and crossing international borders with a handgun? I hope you aren't still flying, or the potential threat remains.

The most dishonest part of your statement I QUOTED above is where you said "There is no reason to believe anything will change your way, as I've been saying since I joined the board."

That is simply another of your LULLING lies. You know damn well there was reason to believe the gun ownership rights situation would change when your boy Barack Hussein Obama appointed Joe Biden as his Anti-Gun Czar and directed him and Congress to bring more strict infringements on the rights of law abiding gun owners to his desk. It came close to happening, except thankfully, the NRA and U.S. gun owners rallied to stop it. Even so, you lied then about Obama when you said this:

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It's hardly mean-spirited to note that I'm an Obama supporter. I'm proud of it, apparent here as long as he's been around. He's anti-gun but has kept his legislative gun in his holster to position his party for '16.


That statement was made after his stinging defeat on anti-gun legislation, and you knew it. And you dishonestly contradict yourself by saying there will be no changes when you yourself repeatedly lament what you say are recent changes to the 2nd Amendment imposed by the NRA in only the last 20 years concerning the 250 year old Right to Keep and Bear Arms. You have never accepted the Supreme Court's 2008 interpretations of that right, and you keep asserting false statements like this:

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Ed, historically the individual "right" to bear arms is relatively new. I believe John Ashcroft in 2002 became the first federal attorney-general to proclaim that individuals should be able to own guns. The Supreme Court in 2008 overturned all mainstream legal and historical scholarship by ruling that there is an individual right to own firearms although with some limits. Obama said it again last week.

I believe that during the previous 218 years the Second meant what it said: firearms shall be held by "the People"---a collective and not individual right---insofar they are in the service of "a well-regulated militia." Was an individual right even mentioned at the Constitutional Convention or in the House when it ratified the Amendment or when debated in state legislatures? I don't think so.


You can't have it both ways anymore King. I won't repeat the mistake of others here by taking my foot off the neck of the snake. Your anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric will be your legacy here... no matter how much you attempt to reinvent yourself and hide from your own lying words. It's very telling that you hate the very thought of your own anti-gun words being used to memorialize you.

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Democracies make choices. Americans accept mass murder to defend an individual right to bear arms in the name of personal freedom.


And here's a little gem for the Sabbath from the old athiest, once again invoking the name of Jesus in order to advance his anti-gun agenda:

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The roots I'm comfortable with are the radical---"to get to the root of"---and that's Jesus's teaching. The shame is how far the Christian community has drifted from it. We act irrationally from fear when the Christian message is to fear not, even death itself.We call ourselves Christian nations and stockpile ammunition, need concealed carry to protect ourselves and a regulated militia without regulations to protect us from our own governments, abandoning Jesus's teaching to defend it.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
The roots I'm comfortable with are the radical---"to get to the root of"---and that's Jesus's teaching. The shame is how far the Christian community has drifted from it. We act irrationally from fear when the Christian message is to fear not, even death itself.We call ourselves Christian nations and stockpile ammunition, need concealed carry to protect ourselves and a regulated militia without regulations to protect us from our own governments, abandoning Jesus's teaching to defend it.


I can sleep w/o locking my front door and don't even have need to carry defensive handgun. I do not understand fear some people display, but I do understand certain certain media outlets and politicians use concept of promoting fear to their own advantage. The break down of family unit and or values plus easy access to firearms means that situation regarding events like what happened in Florida recently aren't going to go away.

I just bought a Remington and noticed nice made in India leather belts with faux Remington 12ga shell bases up to waste size 52" can be bought at Walmart for $16. What appears to be same belt sold under Browning label cost $50 at Cabela's . Wonderful shotgun wonderful belts.

Remington Akbar.

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The obvious and simple solution is to euthanize every identified violent or mentally defective person. Have to be world-wide of course so the gene pool would not be re-contaminated.

Perhaps Remington could provide a mechanism for that which would get them back in the black.

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