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IMO, using the safety on an Ideal is just not doable. I vaguely recall someone had figured another easier method to keep it "safe" under hunting conditions. Maybe something with the under lever? Anyone recall?
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I've never shot an Ideal, but the Darne safety always gets me...especially when it's cold. Does the Ideal have a slide lever safety near the trigger?
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The lever can be lifted on the Darne, slightly opening the action and it can't be fired. The Ideal's safety is aft of triggers and locks the triggers by sliding forward for safe, and back for firing, counter to a top mounted tang. Tang safety's are great for snap shooting. Gil
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The Manufrance Ideal safety is at least ambidextrous, if you can only remember which way to move it...Geo
Last edited by Geo. Newbern; 12/09/18 03:02 PM. Reason: added pic
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Geo, I'm standing on the road with Abby and Willa locked down in the briers in the same place we found a bird last year on opening day. Last year, I had to crawl in from the other side to flush the bird for Floyd to shoot, which he did. This year we had the exact same situation, same place, and Floyd reciprocated, going in to flush the bird while begging Abby to do it for him. Those cat briers show no mercy. Abby and Willa held staunch (that's why I pay'em the big bucks) and Floyd flushed it out and it flew down the road, straight away with me pulling on locked trigger after I thought I'd taken it off safety. I had just loaded the gun for the shot. I hunted dove the day before with an English double. "You weren't ready for that bird???" I kept my mouth on safety after he said that.
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Thanks Gregg. I will try the slightly open the lever and see if it works for me.
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Look at page three of the first scanned Darne info page in the FAQ section. "inherent safety" describes how to do it. Gil
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Turd in the punch bowl time.
Darne guns were produced by several different regimes over most of 150 years. If you have ever had the chance to dismantle a very old gun, say pre-WWI, and compare it to anything built post WWII, you will see differences in engineering and parts. My own experience says the older the gun, the less critical the position of the lever out of battery is. My own R10, post WWII gun, the lever needs to be fairly high out of battery. The opening lever up trick works on the very great majority of them, and all Charlins, by design. Some will require the lever to be quite a ways out of battery. It is critical to test your gun, and have a clear idea where the lever is when the gun cant be fired. There is a position where the ejectors will come into play, without the gun firing, but, it is spooky close to where the gun will actually fire, recoil finishing the closing of the action. I DO NOT use the triggers to activate the ejectors on live ammunition, and you shouldnt, either.
Know thy gun.
Best, Ted
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https://imgur.com/gallery/lhcg7hdScroll down to the last photo. That's my 6 yr old, 90 pound GSP Sam. He held that point for 10 minutes while I took photos and waited for my buds to arrive. Then I shot the bird!
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That is really cool! The Manufrance Ideal safety is at least ambidextrous, if you can only remember which way to move it...Geo
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