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Hello Sidelock,

Thanks for the quick reply, most of the details I uncovered were from the LC Smith collector site. According to Collector site No. 00's were single triggered and the No. 0 is the only other LC Smith without engraving and twin triggers. I was hoping someone could confirm the 1901 year based upon the serial number.

My apologies on the use of "Original" for the recoil pad, I meant to say it was an original vintage Pachmayer pad, not original LC Smith recoil pad, Ill update above.

So, confirmation of my questions in blue still stand if someone out there can help or point me in the right direction, thanks!

The serial number should give you an answer as to it's birthdate (I'm finding 1901 for it). More information than that would likely have to come from the LC Smith website. The "whiteline pad" would be troubling for me and I would suspect that it's been restored by somebody along the 123-years it's been around. Hopefully they were competent when they recolored the action and refinished those "Twist" tubes?

Ouch! Just recoil did that?

" Are you talking about a solid rib?"
JR

Yes.

Do you perhaps know when Browning raised the stock? I know that the stocks are higher in Superposed's in the early 60's.

Was there by chance a timeframe in which they built Superposed's with higher stocks and solid ribs??? If so, what date or serial number range would that be?

Thank you,

The higher stocked guns would fit me much better and I'd ideally like one with a solid rib.

The 0-graded was introduced in 1895, after the move to Fulton, so Syracuse is wrong. From 1895 to 1899 the 0-grade came with twist barrels and with good Damascus barrels from 1899 to 1907 when the option of London Steel barrels was introduced. Certainly not " • Original White Line Pachmayer recoil pad." as they didn't come along until after WW-II. For a few years prior to WW-II and a while after there was the Fray-Mershon "Whiteline" recoil pads.

Has anyone here seen a Lefever that looks like this; unrelated to a fall or dropping the gun?
Help me out Ted



IMHO these cracks start at the head of the stock and extend toward the butt

Hello Gentlemen, long time reader 1st time poster.

I recently purchased what I believe to be a Pre-1913 LC Smith SxS as an investment. Untouched gun with 98%? barrel and trigger guard blue with 100% of the case color and sharp details and perfect screws. Minor closet marks on the gun. I have done all my research and believe I've uncovered everything I need with exception of a few things which is why I'm starting this thread in hopes of receiving some of your knowledge. Here is what I know so far,,,,,

Description
• Grade No. 0 (1894-1914) (Pre 1913) - Syracuse L.C. Smith?
• Everything Locks up extremely tight
• Regular Weight
• 12 Gauge
• 26" Twist Steel Barrel
• Double triggers
• Twin Extractor
• Splinter Forearm
• Stock size 14 3/8" x 1 5/8" x 3" Aprox.
• Vintage White Line Pachmayer recoil pad.

Markings
• S/N 106718
• PAT’D MAR 29.83
• JULY 13.86
• Possibly Made in Yr 1901? (per list on this site).

Here is what Id like to know/confirm:
- Production Date
- Production Run (Qty)
- I was informed LC Smiths always have a dull brown hew on Barrels, true?
- What makes a pre 1913 LC Smith more sought after? Is it because of low production runs?


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Let me know if you guys want to see some pics in case I elect to not keep her.
R,
ChiefC

Thanks. Whoever did the restoration did wonderful work. I prefer non restored guns, but can't always be too picky. The set trigger screw was frozen up when I got it, and snapped trying to free it up. Fortunately it's a factory single set, so I was able to order the screw once I got the stub out of the trigger.

I think the average gun enthusiast doesn't know or can't understand how a rifle can take a cartridge, but ML a bullet. I know if I'm out at the gun club shooting them it always gets some weird looks, and lots of questions.
I own false muzzle Ballards with barrels by Schoyen and Pope, and it's a lot more work than breech seating a bullet, or just dropping a cartridge in the chamber. But it's also fun to do occasionally, but not during a match.
My false muzzle underlever Rolling Block actually was purchased from the same seller who is selling me this Gove shotgun. I know the shotgun isn't special itself, but the Carlos Gove connection makes it worth owning, and the price wasn't too bad.

By field rib I expect you are talking about solid rib. Those did end in the 50's. I have a soft spot for Browning with two triggers and solid ribs. Those have all been made in the early 1950's or older, like pre WWII. Many were the single-double trigger configurations which were converted to standard double triggers by Brownings. Never figure out if they just did not have parts to repair them as a single-double or never got many of them operating properly and just automatically converted any returned for service.

"Lloyd, Your Richards is better built than any old American double. Far better."

Ted: As far as game guns go, you're absolutely right. It still boils down to how much human time was spent on a gun and the better British guns get that in spades.

Hand-made versus machine-made is the big difference here, and by the teens and 20s in this country "hand-made" was essentially no longer available. Mass-production has its place (we'd of never won WWII without it) but there are trade-offs. It's funny, but somehow your eyes picks-up on the differences almost instinctively. I'll see a gun and an alarm goes off inside my head that there are "problems" with it, even if I can't identify them at first. Machine made guns always seem to trigger that "alarm" for me, even if they are damnedably useful and dependable. Oh, and yes...that Lefever is an "F" grade gun, made in 1889. If only there were a slot in my battery for it....

By the way....in 1889, all the American guns were mostly hand-made and it shows.

Only happens to me when I access the site on my Iphone late at night. Doesn't happen on my desktop, which is where I almost always login.
JR

Not sure what a "field barrel rib" is that you mention. Are you talking about a solid rib?
JR

Wow!! Beautiful!!

Anyone know when or if Browning dropped the field barrel rib and went to 100% vent ribs in their Superposed shotguns?

In looking at the ones for sale it seems like after the late 1950's that all of the shotguns have vent rib barrels.

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Thank you all for your participation.

PS - If you are writing a long reply it might be prudent to fabricate it in a text editing program then cut and paste it. That way you have spelling & grammar check as well as a copy shoud an error occur.

There is still some demand and maybe even growing slightly in the right calibers and twists. Just gotta travel in the right circles.

I built a gun around a custom Bobby Hoyt barrel with Pope rifling. It has won a few matches. There are very few people who will build a false muzzle barrel these days.

Years ago Lewis Drake sold very nice leather cases that I believe were made in India. I have several and the quality is excellent. I watch for them on eBay but have not seen any for sale for a long time

Great! Thanks. They sure look nice!!

Daily data update of files?

I'd say the gun could be either a Grade 7D or 8E, based upon the engraving and embellishment. There seems to be some overlap between the grades. Going by the serial number of this gun, and the engraved name of the company, along with the "Not Connected With Lefever Arms Co." disclaimer. I would also guess it to be a Syracuse built gun made in 1903. However, this is a trigger plate action, and I'm not sure the trigger plate action guns were built while the new company was still in Syracuse. However, I know of one Grade 9F that also has the "Not Connected With Lefever Arms Co." disclaimer, and the 9F supposedly was not introduced until 1905 when the company was in Bowling Green, Ohio.

The Grade of D.M Lefever Crossbolt guns is sometimes found written in pencil under the grip cap, and less frequently under the buttplate or trigger guard. I have one almost identical to this one, but don't know whether to call it a 7D or 8E grade because it has a semi-pistol grip. My gun also has Damascus barrels.

All things come to him who waits .........

C. Gove name is worth more than the actual sxs.
Looks to be a low grade sxs, no blowout plugs, laminated twist barrels, min engraving and locks. I’d bet hammers checkering is stamped and not cut (usually another quality indicator).
Probably Belgium made and Gove imported as others have indicated.
Just the name is worth owning.
I saw this posted on FB a few weeks ago.
Thanks

Vall, most gun enthusiasts haven't a clue what a false muzzle is. I have a new, unused, octagon barrel in my shop that I ordered, custom made, some 30 years ago to build a competition rifle with. It has a beautiful false muzzle. After I got it my keen eyesight waned and I lost interest in iron sight m/l competition. The barrel is perfect but, alas, there is no demand for such anymore.

It happened to me again last night as I was submitting a reply in the D.M Lefever thread.

I didn't know that my post did not go through, and refreshed the page after getting the Internal Server Error. Apparently my post was lost.

But I suppose it could have been Censored too. I submitted a post in Argo44's A.I. Thread a couple days ago, and the next morning, the entire Thread was gone. I think this forum was more fun before it became an internet Safe Space for Liberal Democrats.