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Not many choices. Steve Earl Products or Ullman Precision.
Bob

Keith:

I am sorely tempted (it is very reasonably priced), but I have another gun receiving the tender mercies of my favorite 'smith and I'm needing to pay him a few shekels first. You can't save them all, I fear.

Put em all where they needed to go! I see it has a single trigger and fires the left barrel first? .....LK

Alois Jiricek, the Grandfather of Hans Jiricek, was born in 1871 in Raczice, Czechia and moved to Imperial Vienna. Otto Jiricek, Father of Hans, was born in Vienna in 1904 and also Hans Jiricek was born in Vienna 26 years later in 1930. None of his family, ancestors nor descendants, were in the craft of gunmaking. Hans' specialty was in stock repair, specifically in stockbending and broken stocks where he employed the >>tongue & groove<</„Nut und Feder“ method. With the passing of Hans, this truly marks the end of an era.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Homesteader, I looked at the photo of your L.C. Smith, and am extremely skeptical that this is some original and rare grade or variant. More like 100% skeptical.

Take a good look at the picture. The lock is stamped L.C. Smith in the usual location. There is dark grime, dirt, or whatever down in those stamped letters. Then look at the crude "Mark's Special" engraving. It was obviously added after the gun was case hardened. We can see remnants of the original case hardening colors. Engraving is almost always done before case hardening, because it is much tougher to cleanly cut the case hardened surface. The engraving cuts are shiny and not filled with the same grime or dirt that is seen in the stamped L.C. Smith lettering.

There is nothing here that should compel anyone to go off on a wild internet search, looking for some old defunct Mark's Hardware Store or Emporium that might have commissioned Hunter Arms Co. to produce a shotgun with Mark's name on it. There is nothing here to remotely suggest this was built as a presentation gun for Mark Twain, or Mark Zuckerberg either.


It might be entertaining to start a new Thread, just to see who might be naive enough to think you have something almost as rare as the Czar's Parker. I'd suggest you simply accept the gun for what it appears to be... a well used 00 grade L.C. Smith that has been altered with crude added engraving, well after it was built. It is not some rare variation that would be the heart's desire of any intelligent L.C. Smith collector. If it is safe to shoot, then use it as a Rainy-Day-Loan-it-to-Your-Brother-in-Law gun. Don't waste good money on a Factory Letter as you were advised on the L.C. Smith forum. Keep the money to buy some appropriate low pressure shells instead.

Is the right hammer a replacement? I can’t tell from the pictures.

Nice old gun.

Best,
Ted

Well, just to to imgbox & upload a stack of fotos & choose >>Adult Version<< and then post. When you view you will have all you wish & more.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Indeed. He is racking up negatives pretty regularly now. Interesting that he is an "A" rated seller. I wonder how far he has to slip to become a "B"?

I have seen this with many other triggers besides Jewel. When CZ first brought their center fire carbine, it had a set trigger. It was bad about the same thing, and experimentation showed that there was no way to get out of it. If you set the trigger with a chambered round and set the safety, there no course but to find a safe place to point it and hold on while you flipped the safety off. If I remember correctly, you could not cycle the bolt on safe. I suspect this is the reason the trigger wasn't sold for long. They did the same thing in a way with their factory replacement fot their rimfire rifles. Called a Hummingbird or something similar. Great trigger, but very easy to adjust past the point of reliability.

With the Jewel, it is sometimes related to the action and trigger needing to be timed as to engagement. It is more common with commercial and modified commercial actions than with high end clone actions.

Exquisite engraving!! On both guns!!👍

Looks good Bob

To finish this inquiry, these questions were really raised at last September Vintegers' shoot in Pennsylvania when I looked over a John Dickson central-fire dated per his records from 1865. On holding it I immediately said "converted pin-fire" and was met with hostility. The records proved me wrong.

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This carries four boxes of 12 gauge if you want to carry something smaller.

Dave, new to site, a little something sent via wifes paypal Charci cause I havent a clue where she stashes all my money :-)

ChiefC

Thanks for looking into this Dave.

I brought it up because it seems to be getting a bit worse over time. It has happened to me on two different P.C.'s and my Android phone, and using different WiFi networks, so didn't appear to be anything on my end. I figured it might be a sign of an incipient hardware failure.

Steve, I sent you a message about shipping info and you removed yourself from the conversation, what's up?

Thanks. Whoever did the restoration did wonderful work. I prefer non restored guns, but can't always be too picky. The set trigger screw was frozen up when I got it, and snapped trying to free it up. Fortunately it's a factory single set, so I was able to order the screw once I got the stub out of the trigger.

All things come to him who waits .........

Marplot,
Microsoft stopped it. Raimey( ellenber) also had a problem, I think. Looking at the new photos above, it looks like Krausser built it around Heym parts. A really nice gun.
Mike

Hello Mike,
Yes, I will not alter the rifle in any way. In fact I will not even remove the bases. I plan to make a "hook" & a "peg" to precisely fit the bases, and then attach them to some old vintage steel see-thru scope rings that I squirreled away years ago.

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Check eBay. Peter Dyson in the UK, Henry Krank, have repros. There is a poster on eBay in the Ukraine that has both paper and leather trade labels.

I'm looking for a label - original, reproduction, computer file of the image, I don't care - to go with my Aime Maisonnial. Intend to build a hard case for it and a label would be very nice to have.

Chapter VIII. 1860 – 1867: 58. 1863-1873: Pin-Fire vs Center Fire
The chapter has been edited to include observations on two styles of center-break, Central Fire rifles and shotguns being offered in the 1865-1869 time period,
-- Thin fence, noseless hammer guns which copied pin-fire type actions, which was widely used 1865-1870
-- Broader and deeper fences with a back splash guard and normal hammer, which became ubiquitous from 1870 - 1930
. . . . . .based on the following line:
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I will add that this attempt at understanding the relationship between "Central Fire" guns from 1865 and their pin-fire precedents began with this misunderstanding. I looked at the Dickson and immediately said, "converted pin-fire." The Dickson records say otherwise. It stuck in the mind and this germinated into the above understanding:

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