I picked up an interesting combination gun today, built by Simson, Suhl, for Ewald Tuckmantel of Varel. There are two original sets of barrels, each with its own fore end, all parts bear the same serial number and all major assemblies bear the Simson logo. One set of barrels is S x S shotgun, 16 gauge, 2 ½” x 16 gauge, 2 ½”, 28 3/8” long.

The second set of barrels is a Cape gun configuration, 8 x 57 JR x 16 gauge, 2 ½”, 26 7/8” long. These barrels have a silver bead front and single leaf rear sight. They also have scope bases built in that I am not familiar with. The forward of the two bases is stamped:

Krieghoff Montage
Sempert & Krieghoff Suhl.

I am attaching a few photos and hope that someone here may be able to tell me about the ring assembly that fits these bases and if and where such an assembly might be found. I’ve checked my Recknagel catalogue but see no likely “Suspects”.

Ron,
This is a prewar Krieghoff mount and not easy to find now. I would monitor German eGun auctions but it may take quite some time to find pertinent rings (I sent a picture directly to you). Good luck.
With kind regards,
Jani

Jani,

Thanks again for the photo. Do you know what these rings are called in German? Even if I figure out how to access German egun auctions, I'm not sure whether I'd know what was being described for sale since my German vocabulary is limited to about 20 words. I'd assume that there is only one configuration for these bases. The problem might be with the rings, given the German habit of mounting the front ring on the objective bell of the scope, and there being about 50 different diameters of those. Also, as you are well aware, sometimes the early European rings were soldered right to the steel scope tube. What I need to find is a set where both rings are clamp-on 1"/26mm.
Best,
Ron.

Ron,

Call New England Custom Guns. They might be able to help.
http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/

Ron,
I'm not sure what search word would I use except obviously Krieghoff; mount is Montage. When I need a vintage mount I try to find an old scope with such a mount, or a complete gun even. As an example, I needed the EAW twin-lever side mount recently (new cost 420 euros). I found a Winchester M94 with such a mount for less than the price of the mount, sold the gun and kept the mount for almost free - except a lot of my search time. I would look for a prewar Krieghoff drilling in bad condition (heavily pitted bores, etc.), took the rings or whatever I needed and sold the rest. BTW eBay might also be an option. -Jani

they been in this business for over 100 ... components....

ps. i would shoot it first to see if it's worth scoping.

I have a drilling with the same base. Kreighoff USA does not carry the mount. I got a set of mounts from AKAH in Germany that would mount a german rail mount scope on this base. The AKAH folks were very helpful. I emailed dimensions and they sent a mount that only needed minor fitting.

Vol423,
An excellent solution.
With kind regards,
Jani

Jagermeister,
I took the gun to the range today. Here are 3 shots, fired at 50 yards with iron sights. I'd say that this one is worth scoping if I can find a pair of rings that will work.

yes, it's well worth scoping.

As a follow up, I've just completed an oak and leather case for this gun. Started with a 1" x 4" x 8' red oak board which I planed to 3/8" thickness, a sheet of 1/4" oak plywood, and a square shoulder of 7 ounce cow hide. I've tried to "antique" the leather to make it look right for the age of the gun. Over all, I'm pretty happy with the way that it turned out. I was also able to pick up a Kahles 2 1/2x steel scope which looks "right" with this gun. Still working on the rings issue.

I had zero luck trying to locate factory rings to fit these bases. I bought a set of Leupold Super-High rings, drew up a set of plans, and went to visit my tool and die maker friend who has a Bridgeport mill in his garage. Here is what we produced. I just finished rust-bluing them a few days ago. One half turn of the levers releases these rings or locks them down like they were welded on. The gun shoots VERY accurately with this Kahles 2 1/2 power scope mounted.

This is a cold thread, but I just ran into photos of a Krieghoff Montage which I thought I would share:

Yes, I have also seen it this drilling is on offer from yesterday at E-Gun.
Marc.