Check out this piece of art w/ Drie Ringe Krupp Stahl tubes:

https://stevebarnettfineguns.com/rm-jenk...ng-20-x-3-gauge

I can't really read the top rib but it appears to be >>made for R.M. Jenkins by R. Surkemer, Chicago<<?


Cheers,

Raimey
rse

I noted there are no photos of the proof marks that are no doubt there. They would be interesting to see.
Mike

Me too Ford but there are actually too & one is attributed to ARMAF?

https://stevebarnettfineguns.com/rm-jenk...r-410-x-3-gauge

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

I found them on the 410, I didn't expect them to be on the outside. The 410 is Belgian, but the 20 may be German, "is a puzzlement".
Mike

Could we call that placement of the proofs pretty unusual. I've sure never seen it before.

I'd say both are a mechanical contraption or contrivance. Ford, what is the purpose of the screw on the menacing muzzle of the 20 bore?



Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Akin to a Waldläufer(Bush-walker - Woods runner), the only place for one set of proofs is on the exterior?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Another mechanical contrivance(a lifted term from one of the Ferlach makers) is the J. Albrect(I suspect a misspelling?) Interesting selector.

https://stevebarnettfineguns.com/j-albre...ing-12x12-x8x57




Anyone know any of these cats? I haven't looked or searched yet.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
I haven't seen this screw before; I suspect it is to allow drainage of water during the bluing process. I have seen similar screws under the forearm on doubles. Walter Grass used to "worry" a string between the barrels, under the ribs. He did this with a scribe and compressed air, and then wet the string down with Ballistol to prevent rust.
Mike

Maybe F. Surkamer – Gunsmith – Sta 5596 – Commercial Building(1922)

http://www.dogsanddoubles.com/tag/koch/

Frederick Surkamer (1871-1936) from

"Naturally, Michael Petrov's book, "Custom Gunmakers of the 20th Century, Volume Two," continues the work started in Volume One. In these volumes Petrov presents summaries of his extensive research of prominent American gun makers from approximately 1906 to 1950, as well as some who were talented but relatively unknown. The present-day term for "Gunmaker" is, more or less, "Custom Gunsmith." Petrov presents his summaries with a plain writing style and uses a collection of excellent photographs to explain how to identify these gunmakers' work. Gun collectors will find this book a great help in identifying possible bargains and diamonds in the rough. While the value of Petrov's work to gun collectors is obvious, his biographical information in these colorful and independent characters is especially poignant. Petrov opens a window into an America that has sadly passed on. The street addresses of these gunmakers alone is enough to break the heart of any fan of Americana and American culture. One wonders what Frederick Surkamer (1871-1936) would think if he were resurrected today and attempted to walk to his old business address at Room 305, 54 West Lake Street, Chicago, Illinois. Then there was Ludwig Wundhammer (1854-1919) , who worked his trade in Los Angeles, and Seymour R. Griffin, later of Griffin & Howe, whose shop was in Hotel Bretton Hall, Broadway, 85th and 86th Street, NYC. I hope that Petrov's portrayals of a romantic and gallant part of American social history make an impression on other readers as they have on me. Sadly, Michael Petrov died in early 2014."

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...&PHPSESSID=
Looks as if Petrov knew of him....

http://www.dismalriverarmory.com/merkel301esurkamer.html

Probably ordered it thru Adolph.....

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Raimey
rse

Is the triggerplate selector above covered by the novel protection granted under the following DRGM?

Gebrauchsmuster - D.R.G.M. 219051 -Sichernde Umstellvorrichtung am Selbstspanner Dreiläufer, dessen am Ende der Schloßstangen angelenkte federnde Sicherheitshafen der Sicherungsschieber mit zwei seitlichen Anfäßen auf dem Abzugsblech abwechselnd betätigt. Friedrich Wagner in Suhl - 25.1.04 _ W 15883



http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=366734&page=4

Or is it different like:

Not Friedrich Wagner but Jacob Röhmer in Suhl - DRP Nr. 72583. I recall that Axel may have posted that:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post294590

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post233908

Deutschland Nr. 72583
GM 16378
Belgien 106297

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Sort of resembles the Sempert & Krieghoff below?




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Raimey
rse

Steve Barnett's two outstanding three barrel shotguns were probably ordered to be made by Ralph M. Jenkins, a gun person who lived in the area and had the means to order such great guns. He and his brother sold a major aircraft company and spent a bunch of time with guns and shooting. My feel is that the guns are consigned by the family, but Barnett doesn't think that the history of the owners would be of interest to buyers. Of course, as always, I could be way off base.

Thanks for the insight eightbore. From a historical perspective, this brace is worth a close once over for an article, including accessory data like the above.



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Raimey
rse

Raimey, the Jenkins brothers, Ralph M. and Rock, were high average ATA trap shooters, and, according to some google searches, owners of an aircraft company. Ralph and Rock were high level personalities in early ATA publications. My memory may be weak, but I think they owned a gun club.

Concerning the three barrel shotgun--I wonder how the "almost nitre blue" color near the breech was achieved. It is in the area of the engraving on the barrel. Some European manufacturers get this color on barrels at times, but would anyone know how?