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If we could see the barrel proof marks, then the date of
manufacture could be assertained.
Mike
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    Additional pictures from the owner From the g it was proofed in 1928 (the golden age of Belgian gun making) The blued barrel flats indicate that the barrels have been reblued, and may mean the casehardening has been redone. The gun is marked for 65mm chambers (2.5 inch) (1265 in the horseshoe). It is possible they have been lengthened so you need to check. It they have not leave them alone. 2.5 12ga is easy to come by or load for. Those who shy away from it are wrong. I shoot a Greener 16ga FH-50 with 2.5 inch and it really is not a challenge at all. Given your PM on your grandfather possibly purchasing from G&H or A&F you should check with Bob Beach at G&H as they may have records on SN 10019, which might contain more info on the maker if they imported it. The barrels at proof weighed 1.352Kg (2.98lbs) if you weigh them and they are close you need not worry about wall thickness. It is possible they are heavier because the original weight did not include the ejectors and it is not worth the trouble of removing them for weighing On the engraving there maybe a signature or initials buried amidst the swirls. I could guess at the maker, I am rather sure the parts were sourced from Britte, but they supplied many makers at that time. It is a lovely gun it is a lovely gun
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Additional pictures from the owner From the g it was proofed in 1928 (the golden age of Belgian gun making) The blued barrel flats indicate that the barrels have been reblued, and may mean the casehardening has been redone. The was marked for 65mm chambers (2.5 inch). It is possible they have been lengthened so you need to check. It they have not leave them alone. 2.5 12ga is easy to come by or load for. Those who shy away from it are wrong. I shoot a Greener 16ga FH-50 with 2.5 inch and it really is not a challenge at all. Given your PM on your grandfather possibly purchasing from G&H or A&F you should check with Bob Beach at G&H as they may have records on SN 10019, which might contain more info on the maker if they imported it. The barrels at proof weighed 1.352Kg (2.98lbs) if you weigh them and they are close you need not worry about wall thickness On the engraving there maybe a signature or initials buried amidst the swirls. I could guess at the maker, I am rather sure the parts were sourced from Britte, but they supplied many makers at that time. It is a lovely gun it is a lovely gun Barrel flats were casehardened by the Belgies in that era- strange indeed...
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I did not mean the barrel flats were casehardened. I meant that because the barrels appeared to be reblued that the casehardening on the rest of the gun may be a refinish as well.
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Andrews Works are listed under hammers in an 1895 source as an importer of goods into western Australia. But this was just a side line. They were a steel producer
Andrews Toledo, LTD
Toledo Works, Sheffield, 3
Steels for the aircraft and other industries; wire rods, spring steels, high-speed alloy and carbon tool steels
104 and 106 John Street, New York
10 Rue St. Pierre, Popincourt, Paris
44 Foundling st Grey Nun's Block, Montreal
There is speculation the Crown JB was the mark of Jules Bury, a Liege gun maker of some repute.
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LOP is 14 1/2 including the ugly pad. Barrels are stamped 18.4. I am not familiar with the choke stamping. What is the range of choke markings?
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The gun appears to be unfired. Maybe unfired after refinish but it appears to be original to me. I do have an 1892 Winchester the was refinished at Winchester by J.P.P. I will check with G&H and A&F for some additional information.
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I have an Andrews 12 double. That maker was discussed in a thread here several years ago.
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18.4 would be the diameter of the bore in mm's. This converts to 0.7244". Working from memory here but I believe the chokes were not marked after 1924. If it is marked there will be another number similar to the 18.4 but smaller giving the choke diameter. If it were marked for instance 17.9 right & 17.4 left then it would have .5mm (.02") & 1mm (.04") constriction or for that day Half & Full chokes.
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I have a pretty nice no name Belgian H&H style SLE from 1926.
Same features, striker disks, hinged trigger,nice burl wood & Toledo Steel bbls.
Abe Chaber took it apart to clean/check it out it...I remember he said he'd found the Britte mark on the inside of lock plate..though I didn't ask what the mark was.
Its a lovely gun, with the Purdey 3rd bite...the engraving is nice, lots of it, but is not of finest quality unfortunately, otherwise it would be a stunner.
All the guns with the Andrews Toledo I've seen seem to be pretty nice guns
Yours is lovely,enjoy it.OLd Colonel & !21384..does yours have the 3rd bite?
cheers
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