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Re: UPS employee stole my favorite hunting rifle eightbore #625763 02/03/23 05:03 PM
Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,851 Likes: 150 Kutter Sidelock
Kutter Sidelock Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,851 Likes: 150	Originally Posted by eightbore Please explain where we "enter" serial numbers to get a hit. A 4473 does not include serial numbers, and I don't know any other place to enter the number. 'You' don't enter anything...into NCIC,,that is for L/E use only. Both entry, search, modify entry, retrieve, cancel, etc. The system has enough errors in it with that. The stolen gun info comes from a L/E stolen/lost firearms report. The info gets into NCIC by that L/E agency then entering it into NCIC through their own computer terminal link. Some small agencys didn't used to have their own terminal. So the Sheriffs Office or a Metro PD would enter their data for them using the smaller PD's identifier IRO. The BATF only requires FFL's to report missing/stolen/lost firearms from their inventory to them. But again the FFL must have the local L/E agencys report # (CR#) when reporting the incident to the BAFT.

Re: UPS employee stole my favorite hunting rifle Brian #625768 02/03/23 08:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 13,166 Likes: 1155 somwers in Jawja Stanton Hillis Sidelock
Stanton Hillis Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 13,166 Likes: 1155 somwers in Jawja	Originally Posted by Brian Stanton, My proof is that it got to the final destination before being loaded into a delivery truck and just disappeared. It was scanned in at the facility. A 50" long package doesn't accidently get shoved under a counter. And there is a prior recent history of another high end gun being stolen there. same situation. same dealer destination. so, while there may be, ( as a realist I doubt it) an extremely small chance it was "misplaced" but given the facts and the situation, I will stand by my accusation that it was stolen. Try entering that amount of evidence into a court of law as "proof". Won't get you very far. I understand your angst, but not your surety of accusation. May God bless America and those who defend her.

Re: UPS employee stole my favorite hunting rifle Brian #625769 02/03/23 09:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 9,740 Likes: 97 nh mostly ed good Sidelock
ed good Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 9,740 Likes: 97 nh mostly	lawyer stan is right on this one... keep it simple and keep it safe...

Re: UPS employee stole my favorite hunting rifle ed good #625771 02/03/23 10:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 13,166 Likes: 1155 somwers in Jawja Stanton Hillis Sidelock
Stanton Hillis Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 13,166 Likes: 1155 somwers in Jawja	Originally Posted by ed good lawyer stan is right on this one... Hmmm ........ this is somewhat worrisome. May God bless America and those who defend her.
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Re: UPS employee stole my favorite hunting rifle Brian #625785 02/04/23 10:04 AM
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,731 Likes: 490 Red State KY Jon Sidelock
KY Jon Sidelock Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,731 Likes: 490 Red State	All this makes me wish I could drive my guns to their destinations. Thieves, thieves, thieves everywhere. And I agree they will get caught sooner or later because they will keep stealing since they have invented the perfect system, fool proof, easy and profitable. Only problem is those watching will sooner or later get a tip, find a mistake or by shear dumb luck catch them. Only the chances of this gun getting recovered are smaller by the day. Not zero but decreasing.

Re: UPS employee stole my favorite hunting rifle Brian #625797 02/04/23 03:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 388 Likes: 11 Canada Colonial Sidelock
Colonial Sidelock Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 388 Likes: 11 Canada	People are putting Apple tags in their luggage. One traveler in Canada found their luggage went to Spain. Need to do that here?? Dumb, but learning...Prof Em, BSc(ME), CAE (FYI)

Re: UPS employee stole my favorite hunting rifle Brian #625893 02/08/23 10:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,490 Likes: 82 HOUSTON TX 77224 arrieta2 Sidelock
arrieta2 Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,490 Likes: 82 HOUSTON TX 77224	Turn up yet? Any forward movement? John Boyd John Boyd Quality Arms Inc Houston, TX 713-818-2971

Re: UPS employee stole my favorite hunting rifle Colonial #625907 02/08/23 04:23 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,990 Likes: 302 Great Lakes region ClapperZapper Sidelock
ClapperZapper Sidelock Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,990 Likes: 302 Great Lakes region	Having reading how well, and for how long, apple tags work, it would be very smart for a person to discreetly place one in every package of valuables they release custody of for transport. Out there doing it best I can.

Re: UPS employee stole my favorite hunting rifle Brian #625911 02/08/23 05:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 13,166 Likes: 1155 somwers in Jawja Stanton Hillis Sidelock
Stanton Hillis Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 13,166 Likes: 1155 somwers in Jawja	It won't be long before the crooks learn to listen for the distinctive chirping that Apple Air Tags make. I'm hard of hearing yet I hear one in my truck often. Sometimes it goes on for several seconds before stopping. Hearing that in a package would be a dead giveaway. May God bless America and those who defend her.

Re: UPS employee stole my favorite hunting rifle Brian #625913 02/08/23 06:18 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 925 Likes: 253 bushveld Sidelock
bushveld Sidelock Joined: May 2008 Posts: 925 Likes: 253	"There is already a secondary market for modified AirTags with the speaker disabled for 'stealth mode,'" tweeted Eva Galperin, director of cybersecurity at the Electronic Frontier Foundation and a leading opponent of cyberstalking, after being told of the muted AirTag reseller pages yesterday (Feb. 2). https://www.etsy.com/listing/135509...r_gallery-1-1&organic_search_click=1 Last edited by bushveld; 02/09/23 11:53 AM.
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