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On James' gun it looks like they are two different types of crowns.
My Sauer is #142635, made for American market ("Made in Prussia"), 16 ga., I'm told a Grade 1.
I caveman on each barrel flat and a single crown on the left flat.
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I did notice that the crowns are on different flats, however they are the same crowns as shown on the ones with 2 crowns on the same flat, This gun was made for the European market as it is marked 'J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl on the top of each barrel. Notice also it has a dolls head extension rather than a Greener cross bolt.
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Now it looks like 1900 was breaking year, when 2 crowns been replaced by 1 crown only. Geno: I don't think any examples that I've posted are mine so I pulled the pic of #100xxx into a view and it appears that there is a larger crown on the underside of the left tube so it may be surmised that after serial number 100,000 the crowns may have been separated. I wonder if J. Stephens has handled Sauer #10000?? Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Why is it just when you think its figured out something comes along and screws it up? Sauer 16ga #103850, 2crowns, 2 cavemen on flats, 1 on bottom of lug, Krupp barrels. Jim A  Instead of confusion you may be leading up toward a date at least. There's also at least 2 stamps of a Barbarian(Caveman w/ a staff) ahead of the flat on the left tube. Thanks all for the effort and I'm sure this will not be a short exercise in futility. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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What also puzzles me if it is is supposed to denote some state type stamp is that I haven't seen both on any Tell, single shot or bolt gun. Of the one on drillings I can really remember, all were on the extractor of the scattergun tubes, or on the side of tube above/adjacent to the lug.
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Mr. Cate gives Sauer #103,221 as a Model 11 for retailer "EWD. K. TRYON JR & CO. PHILADELPHIA" and notes the Krupp Fluss Stahl tubes "are marked PRUSSIA and have 2 quality Crowns showing." but he doesn't indicate if they are together.
Then on Sauer #110,084 he gives it as a 12 bore hammergun with "Prussian crowns(one larger than the other on the bottom of each chamber area." which I take to mean that the crowns are separated.
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one more double 227xxx (1924). Looks like 2 crowns or later 1 crown is not quality mark, probably all Sauer's guns had it at time. Not sure about low grade models such as Habicht etc. 
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Maybe it was a quality GECO or Habicht??? I've also noticed that at some point the position of the smaller crown on the underside of the right tube is occupied by the script intertwined "SuS". Another note is that Sauer tubes sourced by Carl Grundig, Ernst Steigledger, etc. typicall have the words "FLUSSSTAHL - KRUPP - ESSEN" followed by a vertical "Caveman" with a "Club" in a type of oval stamp.
The above example has the initial "M"(maybe mechanic's last name) adjacent to the "Caveman" with a "Staff".
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I did notice that the crowns are on different flats, however they are the same crowns as shown on the ones with 2 crowns on the same flat, This gun was made for the European market as it is marked 'J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl on the top of each barrel. Notice also it has a dolls head extension rather than a Greener cross bolt.
Jim A. I see your point. There is a large crown and a smaller crown with lines. My gun with just one crown has the smaller of the two as does the other single crown guns. Does anyone have a single, large crown?
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I havent' seen an example, or pic of an example, with only the large crown. Mr. Cate gives Sauer #146331 as Krupp's and taken from the Krupp Villa noting that it had one large crown but I supsect that it is the smaller of the 2 crown set and its position to be on the left tube flat.
And another items is that early on the set of crowns are found on the watertable as well as the flats.
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