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Hi, updating the thread with yet another set of pictures of complex yet exquisit Collath internals. This is Collath C1 (12/12) x 9.2x82r shown above. Firing pins are quite interesting to say the least.

C1 Collath is an odd variant of 12 gauge will not function with conventional 12 gauge shells. I was fortunate to have Dewey Vicknair of Vicknair Restorations build a set of sub gauge inserts that actually function with the original extractor system. Aside from that Dewey forged a new firing pin for the rifle as well as replaced a part necessary for elevating the rear rifle site. Excellent work overall. I am very pleased with this Collath and look forward to taking it to the field next season.




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Hi Guys,

My very first double is a Collath by GL Rasch. My father got this shotgun from a friend whose father brought it with him from Germany when he emigrated to the us in the 1920's. I always shot it well but as Russ R. warned me when using it on a hunt beware or it will bite you. Sure enough when trying to reload quickly on my second hunt with it I clamped it on a little piece of skin boy did that bite hurt.



looks like maybe the same engraver.

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I like that deep engraving


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very nice Jeff!

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I've starred at the following gauge stamps and the only thing I can come to terms with is that at some point Collath had enough influence that the proofhouse at Frankfurt am d. Oder stamped his examples with his cartridge designation or at some point the proofhouse at Frankfurt am d. Oder used his designation??? Or was Wilhelm Collath rolling and proofing his own?


1 bore????


4 bore????



I don't think there were a lot of 1 bore & 4 bore shotshells floating around. Also the odd tubeset knitter's stamp is common to TESCO tubesets from the same time period.

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Advert showing Collath 1 gauge & 4 gauge in his gauge scheme.


Lancaster's contribution from NE

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=107196&an=&page=&vc=1




Proofmarks from previous page & note the 1 gauge stamp, which I assume to be a 12 bore? Also looks to have the same tubeset knitter initials.

0 = 10 gauge
1 = 12 gauge
3 = 14 gauge
4 = 16 gauge
5 = 18 gauge
6 = 20 gauge
7 = 24 gauge
8 = 28 gauge




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An article from 1884 looks to show that they were indeed rolling their own. It was on April 25th, 1871 that weapons makers Johann Gottlieb Teschner & Carl Wilhelm Theodor Collath became partners, not a civil union for the slightest chance that any are considering that. Seems that G. Teschner & Company was also registered at that time.



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Carl Wilhelm Theodor Collath was born on February 25th, 1838, the same year that Johann Gottlieb Teschner hung out his gunmaking shingle. Collath would have attained the rank of master by the mid 1850s when he joined Teschner and more than likely at this time he married Teschner's daughter. As noted above Carl Wilhelm Theodor Collath became a partner on April 25th, 1871 and in 1875 at Johann Gottlieb Teschner's death, he became the sole owner. It would seem that the G. Teschner & Company name of the concern was a constant and that the latter portion changed from Collath to Collath & Söhne. Carl Wilhelm Theodor Collath died at age 68 on June 21, 1906 with Franz & Paul taking the reins, both being excellent marksmen on par with Ernst Steigleder and some cat named Stusche. Paul was a top shot with a rifle and won many awards.


Paul Collath in 1908.

It would seem that the Frankfurt am der Oder proof facility was within the Teschner - Collath compound and so at some point Carl Wilhelm Theodor Collath evidently thought his bore diameters were more important that the English version and that is why we see Collath type bore diameter stamps. Also, I'm sure the firm was sourced for his eccentric lockup design in the white as it was very popular for some reason. So with the Collath bore diameter stamps one could purchase the correct Collath ammo and his concern was a one stop shopping facility where one could purchase one and all.

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