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#197318 - 07/27/10 03:55 PM Re: Original or sleeved [Re: HomelessjOe]
eightbore Sidelock Registered: 02/20/02 Posts: 8524 Loc: Maryland	Ted, is a barrel with the tube, the chamber, and the lug in one piece not a chopper lump design if there is a dovetail and a solder joint rather than just a solder joint?
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#197331 - 07/27/10 05:06 PM Re: Original or sleeved [Re: eightbore]
Ted Schefelbein Sidelock Registered: 01/02/02 Posts: 2962 Loc: mpls, mn.	You have to talk to the marketing people about that. Remember, Winchester destroyed a few regular chopper lump guns in the great durability test against the dovetail lump model 21. I never understood why a square crossbolt wasn't a Greener crossbolt, but, it isn't, according to Zutz. Best, Ted _________________________ "I've never really been lost, but, I have been misplaced a few times".
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#197337 - 07/27/10 05:30 PM Re: Original or sleeved [Re: HomelessjOe]
PeteM Sidelock Registered: 11/29/05 Posts: 3303 Loc: IL	Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe Truthfully Ted I didn't have a clue if the gun was original or not....only Iver Johgnson I've ever saw was a single shot. I do think if the mono-block was so great English guns would have been built on it instead of mostly junk Belgium and French guns. Beretta's are junk? Beretta has been using the monobloc since at least 1920. Probably before that, but I can not verify it. Because the English did not do it does not equate to junk. Pete _________________________ Damascus-Barrels.com
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#197341 - 07/27/10 05:47 PM Re: Original or sleeved [Re: PeteM]
Ted Schefelbein Sidelock Registered: 01/02/02 Posts: 2962 Loc: mpls, mn.	Try to keep in mind that jOe thinks a sleever is the cat's meow... Best, Ted _________________________ "I've never really been lost, but, I have been misplaced a few times".
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#197343 - 07/27/10 06:02 PM Re: Original or sleeved [Re: Ted Schefelbein]
HomelessjOe Sidelock Registered: 01/15/06 Posts: 5739 Loc: The Great State of Tennessee	And Teddy is a pump man Pete the older Beretta SxS's I've saw were not of a very high quality. _________________________ God is great, Whisky is good and People are crAzy.
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#197345 - 07/27/10 06:08 PM Re: Original or sleeved [Re: HomelessjOe]
ed good Sidelock Registered: 01/25/02 Posts: 216 Loc: nh	HEY! WATCH IT THERE PAL...US PUMP SHOOTERS ARE KINDA SENSITIVE.....
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#197346 - 07/27/10 06:10 PM Re: Original or sleeved [Re: ed good]
HomelessjOe Sidelock Registered: 01/15/06 Posts: 5739 Loc: The Great State of Tennessee	eYe heard that...especially darne moss'nberg pumpers that hang out on Double gun sites _________________________ God is great, Whisky is good and People are crAzy.
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#197371 - 07/27/10 08:50 PM Re: Original or sleeved [Re: HomelessjOe]
Ted Schefelbein Sidelock Registered: 01/02/02 Posts: 2962 Loc: mpls, mn.	They are tools, jOe...just like you. Best, Ted _________________________ "I've never really been lost, but, I have been misplaced a few times".
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#197376 - 07/27/10 11:01 PM Re: Original or sleeved [Re: PeteM]
keith Sidelock Registered: 02/21/08 Posts: 770	Originally Posted By: PeteM I have no clue why some one would spend all that time and money to redo this gun. Pete Perhaps this was a first attempt at the process, and the gunsmith wisely chose to practice on an inexpensive gun. Hopefully, he got better before moving on to higher quality guns.
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#197485 - 07/28/10 09:20 PM Re: Original or sleeved [Re: keith]
HOS Sidelock Registered: 12/12/03 Posts: 129 Loc: NY	I think the monobloc v. chopper lump (and whatever chopper lump is called in an o/u configuration) is a huge BS discussion, since there are any number of excellent gunmakers using monoblocs, including P&V, Perazzi, Beretta, FAMARS, etc.
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