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Awesome flying turnips...


Best,
Ted

Thanks Steve for the post. I've looked at this one before. Good maker and I'm sure a good gun. I'm going to play devils advocate here...so please Steve this is no reflection on you or your post, so forgive me if I use your post as an example.

Anyway, here is a gun that is going for close to 11k what I see is a gun that needs a face lift. The bbls are dinged up (marks and scratches) the wood has numerous handling marks and dings and it looks like the wood should be refinished. Also for the purest the bbls have an importers mark on the bbls. True this gun does not have sleeved bbls and the screws are fine. What I see is a well used gun, not abused, but not well taken care of either. I'm not against sleeved bbls at all, if the job is done right. Sleeving to me gives a gun a new lease on life. This is just my opinion.

It seems at times that when someone posts a gun here (and not just me) someone has to tear it apart. Sometimes it's justified and problems are pointed out, great, a second set of eyes is good. Sometimes we are blinded and we need someone to bring us back to the real world. But there are times when a gun is in good working order and is in fine shape, someone has to rip it apart. I'd bet that if someone posted they just got a Purdey right from the shop, someone would find fault with it.

There is a lot of good info on this forum and lots of folks with knoweldge that would knock your socks off. But there are others who just can't say a good thing about anything.

Again, just my thoughts.

All th best!

Greg

It's all in the way we each see things is all. In my view, and bare in mind I refinish guns for a living, I prefer an honest gun with evidence of use to a refinished gun. Same goes for barrels, my personal gun has never had the barrels touched and much of the finish is worn away. I may some day re-black them, but I am in no hurry to. I just could never personally be happy with sleeved tubes, and not because I am the Teague agent, I just could not accept them on my own gun. Here is my old gal......quite possibly in need of a refinish in many peoples eyes, but I think I will just shoot her as is.

Hi Steve, your comment of "all in the way we each see things" is perfect!! Could not have said it better.

All the best!

Greg

Hilarious!! And I am making no judgment about the gun or the engraving. Just Ted's comment.

Flying turnips....that's too funny.

That Cashmore looks like it could have been engraved alongside a Parker, or three.
11 large, and you get stick figure birds. Oh yea, and as Greg pointed out, it's basically beat to hell.
There is a lot to be said for just leaving the scroll to stand alone.
I'm pretty sure Old Lightning or Klunk, or, somebody from the old board came up with the term "flying turnips". But, sometimes, it just fits so well.

Best,
Ted

OK, according to my research, Wilks has Brand Value level two (BV2). My initial reaction to the gun was a best work SLE (OQ1); high % engraving coverage of seemingly good engraving, a Royal pattern action/locks, good wood, STTF, and no through lumps (last two are styling issues well ettled by '20's). The Current Condition level appeared/sounded like "Restored with a ding for sleeved barrels" - say level six (CC6). That would be BV2-OQ1-CC6 = $6655 for a 12 bore and we usually add up to 50% premium for 16 bore. So, something is amiss between value and price from a vendor unlikely to under price a gun.

Hmmm! What say you all as to Original Quality grade? Best work? Grade A (OQ2)? Grade B (OQ3)? And, what say you all to Current Condition level? If a fully restored gun is a level five (CC5), How much ding do the sleeved barrels give? What premium do you all imagine for 16 bore?

Price and value would agree if we called it a BV2-OQ2-CC6 = $4652 for 12 bore and gave it a 50 % premium for 16 bore ($6978).

I'm sure a dealer or two will disagree with me, but, I'd call the value correct at $6978 for a 16 with original barrels that were in proof. Remove 50% of that price for sleeved barrels, 25% for "other than maker" replacement barrels, 20% for "maker" replaced barrels.
A gun is not, and never will be OQ1 with non-original barrels. Regardless of what the dealer tells you.


Best,
Ted

I dis-agree completely. If the Maker re-barreled the gun, especially in the pre-war period, the gun takes little or no hit on the market or in my eye.

Myself I'd deduct 50% for a 16 ga.