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Nice article on these rifles - including pics of one with the Selous plates - in DGJ; of course, I don't remember which issue.
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It is DGJ
Volume 15
Issue #3
Summer 2004
I have read, and reread that article a thousand times...
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Mr. max:
It certainly would be a treat to examine the rifle! I have been wanting to closely examine a Selous plated Gibbs for a good while with an eye to duplicating the plates. Mr. Mann objects because they cover up his pretty wood, but I really want to do this.
There was a .465 express chambering but, even though action 710 was a late action, I don't think the chambering existed when the rifle was build. Howsomever, it is entirely possible that the action was rebarreled at a later time.
A chamber cast and bore measurements are in order. So are PICTURES!
Respectfully,
Glenn
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Glen,
I will get professional pictures as soon as I can find someone to do it. Give me some time. I have a lot of respect for this site and the members. It will be done. I was just going to post the question as to the difference between a Gibbs .460 1 and a .460 2 because I was going to buy an empty .460 brass case from Lewis Drake to use as a snap cap. Would like to make certain the firing pin is in working order. However, based on your post there was a ".465 express". I do believe this gun is a .465 express as the side of the barrel is marked 465 ex. the 5 is not very clearly marked, but based on what you just indicated I believe it is a .465 ex. Would the 465 express be a more powerful round compared to the .461. I make no pretense, I just stumpled on this gun and it is way out of my league. Believe me, I want to get you guys pictures as much as you want them. It will be done.
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Max
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I saved to my mac desk top a picture of the gun as taken from the estate sale pictures. I am attempting to drag the picture to this response. If this does not work please advise what I need to do to attach the photo to my response.
For the moment this is all I have.
Regards,
/Users/jeffweinman/Desktop/2322496-t-1.jpg
Max
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Hi Max,
E-Mail the photo to me and I will post it for you.
Last edited by Birdog; 03/08/11 01:48 AM.
Good Shooting
T.C.
The Green Isle
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Well I enlarged the original X3 and it is starting to loose definition, best I can do. Max's Gibbs: 
Good Shooting
T.C.
The Green Isle
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Max:
While the picture is a bit vague, there is no doubt that the rifle is real and worth a good deal of money. From what can be seen in the pictures it is exactly right for its vintage. Congratulations.
There were less than a thousand Gibbs actions made, and yours is number 710. Curiously enough, number 709 is known to exist and is a Selous plated rifle like yours. One of the books I need is out on loan (to the aforementioned Mr. Mann) but when I chase it down I will be able to give you an approximate birth date.
The .465 Express is a product of Holland and Holland, made after the turn of the century. It was one of a number of chamberings introduced by the trade to circumvent the .450 caliber bans in India and the Sudan, and was in fact trade named the ".465 India". It is the .500 Express case necked down to .465. It is highly unlikely your rifle was originally chambered for this cartridge, but not out of the question that it was returned for rebarreling to this chambering. It is not impossible that it remained in stock and was rebarreled after 1905.
If you would like to have the bore measured and chamber cast, the rifle examined and get my genuine, don't try this at home, professional driver on a closed course, opinion of the rifle, I would gladly do this in exchange for the opportunity to view, measure and study the rifle. And take lots of pictures...
Please feel free to contact me at gfewless@tds.net or call at 262-534-5154. I probably won't be able to answer the phone during the day but evenings are good. Email is good anytime. <g>
Respectfully,
Glenn Fewless
Last edited by Glenn Fewless; 03/08/11 01:52 PM.
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Max !! what a find, itīs like walking into an old barn and finding a Bentley Speed Six under a tarp thats been there for 70 years  love to see some pics, best
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