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Marc,
I believe the 10x46R is the 10mm version of the several old cartridges based on the 46mm long version of the "MB" case.This cartridge would be more or less equal to the old American 40-60 Win. I recently bought a BF in 10x42(the little brother to the 10x45),but haven't started to load for it yet.It would be interesting to work with a 10x46 at the same time.BTW the proof on mine is 1893-1912, so 1880 would be a little early for the drilling.The crown"V" on the dollshead shows it was in stock when the proof law came in to effect in early 1893, so it must be early 1900s.
Mike

Gentlemen,

I had only spent time studying what I could see of the selector mechanism on the P. Oberhammer drilling but looking at the same gun, as posted on NE (Nitro Express Forum), I noticed what appears to be a double diopter in the tang. What do you think, am I seeing things? If that's what it is, it is a first for me. Perhaps I just haven't been around enough to have seen such a thing before.

Mark

Mark,
The description in Egun,in German,clearly indicates two folding diopters and a folding rear sight, so you are not seeing things.I find the selector very interesting also.
Mike

Thanks Mike

I haven't picked up enough German to recognize "two folding diopters" (in German) if it were right in front of my face and in bold print. Curious, have you seen many of them? Given my understanding of their purpose, and through my own use of them (diopters), I am having difficulty understanding any benefit the large hoop would bring to target acquisition. Have you any field experience with them?

Mark

Der Ami, interesting info on reloading the 10 X 46 I thought that the seller of the gun ignored the kaliber and I started thinking about all the Gruendig kalibers who are almost all 10,75 X.............. I am curious to learn more about your reloading. I learn every day something more on this forum.
Thanks, Marc.

Mark,
I don't recall having seen a double diopter before this one.I don't know how common they are, I just didn't pay much attention to them before. There is a single one on the 10x42R (Val Kern)I just got, but Since I haven't started loading for it yet, I haven't tried it yet. Of course, I have often used American style peep sights, but I understand the German style is used differently.I understand you still use the rear sight, but through the diopter( to sharpen the sight picture). It seemed to help, but I havent actually fired it yet.
Mike

Marc,
This wouldn't be one of the Gruendig calibers, they came a little later . I wrote an article in "WAIDMANNSHEIL"(one of the German Gun Collectors Assn. publications)on loading generic 11mm cartridges. Except for bullet diameters, the 10x46R and 10x42R should fit into this catagory.I usually load all my own centerfire ammo,even for hunting. I have a couple different calibers that I will start using more factory ammo in,because I have a good amount of it on hand, but this is unusual for me.Handloading just expands the hobby and it is very satisfying to be selfsufficient and be able to shoot rifles I couldn't otherwise shoot.
Mike

Mike, I have all the Waidmannsheil issues can you tell me in with one you wrote that article it save me time. I think we had contact before but it is possible that I think wrong, if you are Mike Ford you gove me an answer on 9,3 X 82.
Marc.

Marc,
Yes, I am Mike Ford. The WAIDMANNSHEIL # 46 is the issue in question. I also wrote one about 9.3x72R that might give some help with your 9.3x82R.This one is in three parts and is in issues 39,40, and 41. We have had contact before,and I enjoyed your article also.
Mike

Mike, many thanks, I gona reread your articles.
I have seen Jon Spencer, Axel and Per-olaf Haggards in Kassel
Pitty that you wasen't there.
Marc.