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Eagle Heads sounds like Cap or Falla. Could you tell what they means in this case ? When Shooting Sportsman Magazine first started up in the '80's, there was an article in one of those early issues titled "As good as a Purdey?". Thanks for the hint, it seems that article was in February/March 1988´s magazine "Good As A Purdey or Parisian Magic
Topics: Finding a substitute for a London "best" gun Gauge: "Ets. Lien, Chapu, Callens"It seems too that article reprints are quite expensive, 60$ or even 70$ so it´s too expensive to order it to here Finland. But if anybody of yours have that magazine and he could scan me a copy of article I would appreciate very much.
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Thanks a lot, Raimey ! Have you any idea who own those initials "JT" ?
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Ah, one would have to determine if any effort was applied in France, which I think not, and then attribute the initials to either St. Etienne or Liege. If Liege, my 1st guess would be Jean Thonnard. As it has been stated, images would be most beneficial.
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Falla used a JF & merged JF so closely inspect with a glass ir use chalk.
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Yes, letters JT looks very similar as in this gun engraved by Jean Thonnard. Initials, whose have quite personal design, are in left lower corner of foto below i.e. exact same place as in "my" gun. 
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I have good recource of books according to proof marks. As I said there is both belgian and french proof marks. Then there is one sign like eagles head which I don´t identify and initials (maybe barrel makers) "JT". Text "Choke" and "17,4" and "18,4". Barrels have honed and re-blued but you could hardly see text "Acier xxxxx" which should tell steel of barrels. This shotgun has engaved very sparely; only narrow "band" round the lock plate and some on screws head. According yours comments and proof marks it seems that shotgun has been made and proofed in Belgium and then imported and re-proofed in France. Seller was G. Callens. I find from internet one auction cataloque where has sold very similar shotgun. Seller has descibed shotgun as follows: "fusiL De chasse à platines stéphanois G. Callens. 2 coups, calibre 12/65, éjecteurs. 2 paires de canons juxtaposés de 80 cm. Chokes : droits : full et 1/4 ; gauche : full et 1/2. bascule et platines gravées de bouquets et rinceaux feuillagés. Double détentes dont une articulée. Crosse en noyer de 36,5 cm avec rallonge de 1,5 cm, en partie quadrillé. 5e catégorie. Dans une valise en bois recouverte de cuir, garnie à l'intérieur de feutre bordeaux. Étiquette dans le couvercle "Maison Lien et Chapu Callens Sr Paris"."There is one foto of gun and it seems to be very similar but with two barrels:  Raimey, the first sentence in the above description in French, of the other Callens gun the original poster found, indicates that it's either a St. Etienne gun, or the individual who wrote the description believes it to be from St. Etienne. "Stephanois" is the adjective for someone or something from St. Etienne. Of course it's possible that Callens, who I'm still thinking is a dealer in Paris rather than a gunmaker, could have had guns made both in St. Etienne and Liege. Igorrock, I can't make out all the proofmarks in your photo, but everything I can make out looks Belgian to me. Could be I'm missing something, but I don't see any St. Etienne proofs.
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I'd be comfortable with the fact that Callens sourced both, but we have yet to see any image of the subject sporting weapon coupled with some verbiage. Said verbiage described a mixed set of worn marks along with Cap/Falla's Eagle head & JT. Without images, all this points to Belgian sourcing. Can't say on any of the other Callens.
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Here are photos of proofmarks and trademark on my Callens, also do you think there was an inlay on the forend that is missing? Trademark on the standing breech  normal Belgian proofmarks  marks forward of the flats  some thing missing here? 
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