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1901 the following agent for England was given:

Monsieur H.V.Taelen, of 92, Beaufort Street, SW has been appointed English agent to the Belgian gunmaking firm of Ferd. Courally successors of August Lebeau

Wonder if Ferdinand Courally was sourcing the Jno. Hy. Andrew Toledo Steel bar stock thru Mr. H.V. Taelen??

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Auguste Lebeau with Acier Comprime de Wahlreyne(some give a tin content?/)
38201.7165

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I'm looking at an AUGUSTE LEBEAU-COURALLY 12g BLE, serial number 33673.Any idea what year of production might that be? Thanks. BTW my guess is pre-WWI.

With kind regards,
Jani

Seems like the barrels are a product of the below Belgian company:

http://www.ilrasoio.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=569S

Smeets Eug�ne Smeets Eugene


4 Rue Ch�ra 4 Rue Ch�ra
d�pose la marque "Phoenix Arms" le 8 novembre 1914 avec Vanal Emile et Rosier Henri registrato il marchio "Phoenix Arms" 8 Nov 1914 Vanali e con Emile Henry Rose
Smess joseph Smess joseph 3 Rue du pommier Li�ge 3 Rue mela Liegi d�pose le dessin d'un vapeur avec les initiales "GPC" dessous le 5 septembre 1911 file di disegno a vapore con le iniziali "GPC" sotto 5 Settembre 1911
Smits Smits vers 1845 signature "JH Jamar Smits" voir ce nom 1845 firmato "JH Smits Jamar" vedere questo nome
Soc. Soc. An. des �tablissements Breuer et C� Anno di istituzioni Breuer e Co.


Soc. Soc. An. Gustav Genschow et C� Anno Gustav Genschow e Co.


Soc. Soc. An. Marcel Donkier Marcel Anno Donkier
Soc. Soc. Continentale pour la fabrication d'armes a feu Webley-Lebeau-Courally Continental nella fabbricazione di armi da fuoco Webley-Lebeau-Courally 17 Rue Fond des Tawes Li�ge 17 Rue Fond des tawes Liegi

d�pose les marques file marchi

"Acier Comprim� de Wahlreyne Rust Proof", "Acier Leugrann"; "Metal Vant horn", "Acier Comprim� de Wahlreyne" le 6 mai 1913 "Steel compressa Wahlreyne antiruggine", "Steel Leugrann" "Metal Vant" corno ", Steel tavoletta Wahlreyne" 6 maggio 1913

d�pose la marque" The Standard Pigeon Gun" le 21 mars 1925 d�j� d�pos� le 10 mars 1905 par courally registrato il marchio "The Standard Pigeon Gun" 21 Marzo 1925 precedentemente presentata da 10 mar 1905 Courally

Soci�t� anonyme pour la fabrication d'armes a feu Societ� anonima per la fabbricazione di armi da fuoco 99 Rue St Gilles Li�ge 99 Rue St Gilles Liegi d�pose le dessin d'un aigle enserrant des �clair le 23 janvier 1904 file di disegno di un'aquila stringendo fulmine 23 Gennaio 1904
Soci�t� pour les armes de guerre Societ� per le armi della guerra Pirlot Eug�ne et Gustave arquebusiers � Li�ge entre 1830 et 1880 (voir ce nom) Pirlot e Eugene moschettieri Gustave a Liegi tra il 1830 e il 1880 (vedi nome)
Soleil L�on Leo dom 477 Rue St L�onard Li�ge 477 Rue St Leonard Liegi

Jani, a guess would be the same as yours and between 1900 & WWI.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

On Belgian guns, easy to tell 1924 or earlier by proofmarks: 12 over C in a diamond. Later guns (12's) would be 12- followed by the chamber length in MM. And on the later guns, there's also a date code which will give you the exact year, although occasionally it's hard to read.

Thanks. Mine is before 1924. It is also marked 75 M/M, likely meaning a long chamber.

With kind regards,
Jani

I sent an email to the company two months ago and today I have received their answer: #33673 was made in 1900.

With kind regards,
Jani

This gun appears to be a genuine extra finish best work gun. Such guns can be of most any brand. The master gun makers knew which of their in-workers and which out-workers were capable of such work, what their time frame was and what they charged. Original Quality grade of a gun is independent of brand. However, obtaining commissions to make such guns was another matter altogether.

Four Liege makes of the later 1800's - early 1900's set about to elevate the status of their area's trade by adopting the informal standards of the London trade. They were Lebeau, Francotte, Bury, and - and - rats, my memory has slipped a cog. OK, who was the fourth? Their names do not guarantee a best work gun, but a gun that appears best work with one of these four names is likely to be such. Keep in mind that almost all makes supplied a range of quality grades - the Belgians were not exceptions.

Hope that helps.

DDA

I was leafing through the September 1903 edition of the 'Sporting Goods Review & Gunmaker' the other day, as you do, and came across this, which I thought may be of interest to this thread:

"The Webley-Lebeau-Courally Continental Firearms Co Ltd has opened a London depot at 1 Lower James Street, Golden Square, where a selection of guns and revolvers will shortly be on view, under the charge of Mr John Wilkes."

Of course that address was John Wilkes' shop. It is interesting that the PR spin says 'London depot', whereas what would seem to be the case was that John Wilkes was acting as an agent for the firm.

Tim