doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Any issues with REMINGTON Model 17?

I've been doing a bit of Model 17 research and have noticed some interesting(?) things. They were obviously building these things at Ilion before the company reorganized from Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co., INC. and became Remington Arms Co., Inc., even though the gun wasn't introduced until the first Remington Arms Co., Inc. catalogue --



The early guns up into at least the 20xxx serial number range had the inventory code BO and the serial number stamped on the bottom of the receiver ahead of the loading port --



These first 20k or so guns had the REMINGTON trade mark logo in the action slide and MODEL 17 on the barrel.

By the 30xxx range they moved the REMINGTON trade mark logo, MODEL 17 and the serial number to the left side of the receiver, low and towards the front --



finally they moved the REMINGTON trade mark logo, MODEL 17 and the serial number higher and towards the middle on the left side of the receiver --



Anyone out there have a feeling for what serial number range the name changed to Remington Arms Co., Inc. on the barrel? What range the REMINGTON trade mark logo, MODEL 17 and the serial number was moved to the left side of the receiver.

I'm going off the top of my head, but I think the guns I've had with the Remington on the slide and not on the receiver were in the 20,000 range. I have had a 3 digit and now have a 4 digit UMC guns and all have had the BO mark with the serial number and no barrel date code. I'm guessing they were all Remington Arms by 5 digits??? I'll have to see if I have pictures that will help.

UMC Pamphlet

Here was a "combination" of markings.





Slide mark on UMC gun

Nothing to do with the question but came across these looking at photos.

Just to confuse things, here is one with no markings. I sure wish I had better pictures of this one. Not sure why I don't I'll have to look. I had new wood made for it (stock busted)that didn't fit and it went down the road. Now that I realize it was rather "rare"...well lessen learned.

In the whacky world of guns, here is a five digit UMC for sale now, but in rough refinished shape.

Mr. Frazier: FWIW, Bromley's gun shop is advertising a 30-inch solid rib gun for sale.

I have observed a couple of Model 10s that were from the early 1920s that had barrels roll-stamped "Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co., Inc." and in front of that they added another roll stamp "Remington Arms Co., Inc. Successor to ..."

Have Model 17s been observed marked like that?

FWIW, my M-17 has the BO and sn 24615 stamp at the bottom front of the receiver. Barrel is marked "Remington Arms Company, Ilion Works." It has a 26 inch IC solid ribbed barrel.