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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
I spent a bad day once in a duck blind with a black lab who'd fell in love with my leg...Geo


Would you have felt the same if it was a yellow Lab, or are you a racist?


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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
I spent a bad day once in a duck blind with a black lab who'd fell in love with my leg...Geo


Would you have felt the same if it was a yellow Lab, or are you a racist?


I think poor George was robbed, beaten, and raped because he is white. Nothing will come of it though. No arrest or conviction because the dog is black and under privileged. King Brown will do some investigative reporting and discover that the dog's ancestors were enslaved so now George has to provide kibble reparations. It's a good thing George didn't shoot the dog because Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would have incited riots and burned his house.


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I disagree with you about the pedophilia thing, though. 50% of the population, women, no matter how PC, are never agreeing to it.


I dunno James, have you noticed all the lady teachers getting in trouble with their students...Geo

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Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
I spent a bad day once in a duck blind with a black lab who'd fell in love with my leg...Geo


Would you have felt the same if it was a yellow Lab, or are you a racist?


I do not dislike black labs individually, many are good friends of mine. Its just the pushy uppity ones that I don't care much for...Geo

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I disagree with you about the pedophilia thing, though. 50% of the population, women, no matter how PC, are never agreeing to it.


I dunno James, have you noticed all the lady teachers getting in trouble with their students...Geo


Well, here is where the PC thing comes into play. Personally I doubt like hell any of the relationships cause any lasting real damage to the boys. The most famous and the one that started it all, with Mary Kay Laterneau, ends up that as soon as she's out of jail, she and the boy, now a man, get married. I suspect if there is any lasting damage caused it's by the hysteria and publicity whipped up once the situation becomes public.

The second part of that issue, that never gets mentioned is how many of those women are on antidepressants, specifically SSRI's. I'll tell you......ALL of them!

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Originally Posted By: canvasback
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I disagree with you about the pedophilia thing, though. 50% of the population, women, no matter how PC, are never agreeing to it.


I dunno James, have you noticed all the lady teachers getting in trouble with their students...Geo


....I suspect if there is any lasting damage caused it's by the hysteria and publicity whipped up once the situation becomes public.

The second part of that issue, that never gets mentioned is how many of those women are on antidepressants, specifically SSRI's. I'll tell you......ALL of them!


It seems like your possible consequence, the public shame, has something to do with knowing it's wrong, and at the least being unable to conceal the act. I don't know if the mothers of these male children can so easily justify this type of relationship, even if it's not so offensive if it's the boy down the street.

I believe there is a recent trend of progressive parents that enables minors to express exaggerated homosexuality on internet social media. No confirmation of physical contact, but putting their kids at amazing risk and condoning risky behavior in the name of some sense of understanding and support.

I think the medication connection has been brought up in relationship to much more violent crimes, so I guess if there is a linkage, there must be a crime with an asterisk. Are there any stats that show the percentage of women on these meds commit a higher rate of crime. Can it be shown that once on these meds, the crime rate goes down. That laterneau case might show that she didn't have to be on the meds to break parole and eventually marry the guy.

The folks that do it may just do it anyway. A big part of it may just be pc. Catholic priest pedophilia is a huge crime of cover up, but it stigmatizes the entire calling. Of all the billions, I can't recall of one instance of reported muslim male pedophilia of a boy.

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Craig, you are touching on a number of items here so I will respond individually. Otherwise I get confused! LOL

Muslim male pedophilia. While I am unaware of any specific reported case, I think that has more to do with the cultural circumstances (war zones, tribalism, suppressed media etc) than whether it occurs or not.

As an avid reader with wide ranging tastes in both fiction and non-fiction, my anecdotal experience is that in literature coming out of Muslim dominated regions, the concept of male pedophilia is remarkably common, certainly when compared to "Western" literature.

Combine that with the remarkably common evidence of night vision recordings, by American and Western forces, of Muslim insurgents having their way with sheep and goats and it paints a picture of a tacit acceptance of sexual deviancy far beyond what goes on in the West.

And when I mix the above with the cultural treatment of women in Islamist societies, I think we have a recipe for some pretty bizarre behavior. Probably far outstripping the abhorrent behavior of some deviant priests.

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Originally Posted By: craigd


It seems like your possible consequence, the public shame, has something to do with knowing it's wrong, and at the least being unable to conceal the act. I don't know if the mothers of these male children can so easily justify this type of relationship, even if it's not so offensive if it's the boy down the street.



Craig, one can't underestimate the damage that can be caused by public shame. But I start with the premise that we have been around for a long time. And for most of that time, puberty for both men and women represented the start of adulthood, including sex and all that comes with it. It is only in the last 200 years that there has been a drive to make what had been commonplace for millennia, abhorrent and illegal.

So my point is more that it is not the act itself, in consenting sex, between a teenage boy and an older woman that is damaging, but the hysteria that results from its public disclosure, ESPECIALLY that from the mother of the teenage boy, who, in most cases, is the driving force behind exposure and prosecution. Along with the revised societal conditioning that deems it a problem.

IMHO they have created a problem where, in most cases, none needed to exist.


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Originally Posted By: craigd

I believe there is a recent trend of progressive parents that enables minors to express exaggerated homosexuality on internet social media. No confirmation of physical contact, but putting their kids at amazing risk and condoning risky behavior in the name of some sense of understanding and support.



I think you are simply pointing out that internet stupidity exists for parents of potentially gay children as much as it exists for everyone else using it. It is a new form of communication, radically different than ever experienced by humans before, and many still are clueless.


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Originally Posted By: craigd

I think the medication connection has been brought up in relationship to much more violent crimes, so I guess if there is a linkage, there must be a crime with an asterisk. Are there any stats that show the percentage of women on these meds commit a higher rate of crime. Can it be shown that once on these meds, the crime rate goes down. That laterneau case might show that she didn't have to be on the meds to break parole and eventually marry the guy.


Nothing I'm saying about SSRI's contributing to behavior that is outside the norm suggests I think those people should get a free pass from the justice system.

But I think calling attention to the fact that there is, compared to the general population, significantly higher levels of what we might term anti social behaviors among those on SSRI's, higher even than those diagnosed as suffering from depression but not on that family of drugs, just makes good sense. They are among the most widely prescribed drugs. IMHO, remarkably little attention has been paid by the medical community to the benefits vs the ever increasing evidence of nasty side effects.


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