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The Crescent, sidelock doubles and Winchester model 24 are a bit different.
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I am with GUNMAN on this. Just because it has seen common usage does not mean it is correct. If one is interested, a good glossary of terms for shotguns is in Desmond Mills book, Amateur Gunsmithing on page 193.
If you are talking to someone in a specialty field, it is best to use terminology they will understand.
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I think it to be a difference in the fundamental description of a component between makers & retailers. It has seen use in adverts for over 100 years with Sears possibly being the 1st in 1905-1906. Then there's A.H. Fox adverts from pre-WWI/1914 so take it up with them:  Kind Regards, Raimey rses
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isn't water table a term used in a machining process to describe that area.
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As a former Machinist Model Maker in the AeroSpace industry we normally worked from a "WaterLine" when building fuselages. The fact that our models were designed to go through the "Air" rather than "Water" was of no consequence.
As has been shown the term Water Table has been in use for well over a century & will likely be around as long as Break Open double guns exist, so again I say it is utterly useless to raise a Fuss every time the term is used. As to whether or not it is correct may be like a lot of other terms, "Depends" are you talking to a "Limey" or a "Yank".
Miller/TN
I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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I have forgotten an 1880 reference in U.S. of A. patent 226893: "By referring to Fig. 6 we see that not only can the breech-joint of the gun be made tight by my device, but that any looseness under the gun on the "WATER-TABLE" is also compensated by the same operation. By turning tangent-screw G, the top point, 0, of the eccentric f, while moving forward a given distance for example, from c to cl-will drop or descend through the "cry small proportionate space a to (1, which will be sufficient-to eifectually tighten up the gun." https://www.google.com/patents/US226893?...ved=0CCEQ6AEwAAKind Regards, Raimey rse
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1880 is getting closer to the time "water tables" were first found on guns. I wonder when "barrel or receiver flats" are first mentioned in print.
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So DH, is that a task?
Kind Regards,
Raimey
rse
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Well, you have a great ability to find these things. I do wonder if water table was used before "receiver/barrel flats" were used in gun description.
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There is no convincing the Anglophiles to drop this continuing banter.
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."
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