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Thanks for the explanation, I was a little lost too.

I can say from experience that at least some of the Czech Brno shotguns used a similar system. I had one of these:





and found the rear trigger would act as a single non-selective trigger.

Interesting, as far as the "twin single trigger". AyA made a copy (or at least very similar) of the Winchester 21 at one time for Sears, sold under the "J C Higgins" label. I can't remember the model number off the top of my head. (Model 100?) I know someone who has one. Does anyone know if they had that trigger? They're having doubling issues, I'm wondering if it's due to the "WD-40" issue. I can't remember if their gun has one or two triggers.

After a little research, it appears the gun has a single trigger, so the twin single trigger wouldn't apply. Anyone have any insights about the doubling issue?

Regards
Ken

If one is looking for good quality older Spanish knockabout double BL or BLE I would suggest maker Aguirre & Aranzabal. It is easy to pick a good one just be examining metal to metal, wood to metal fit and quality of checkering. There are the best pics for newbies into inexpensive older vintage Spanish gun market. My sample gun was one that came from Marlin R&D department and was originally imported by company from Washington DC. It was SNST sporting gun of abut 7.5lb weight. It was unusual in that one could pull trigger with gun disassembled and put it back together with ease not worrying about re-cocking the hammers. I should not have sold that gun.

Very cool.
I was explaining to my business partner what a release trigger was a couple of months ago. Can't wait to tell him about this one.

If one wants ugly yet hellishly strong firearm Czech, Hungarian, Russian and Yugoslavian double are a good way to go. I call them Warthogs. I should mention Soviets also made very fine SLE based on Beesley patterned "self-opening" action.

This being Spanish topic I have a dream of on e day owning fine Ignacio Ugartechea SLE "self-opener" based on Fredies action with Bohler steel barrels. I determined that if I ever buy another shotgun it will be something truly to behold. No more 'nice gun for the money' stuff. I want the best.

Re Kyrie's reference to "the old AyA": They did indeed do some neat and different stuff. Undoubtedly the most unique AyA I ever owned was a 16ga marked AyA-Sauer. (AyA must have cut some sort of deal with Sauer to make those guns.) Looked for all the world like a high grade Sauer boxlock. Scalloped receiver, cocking indicators (on the sides rather than the "snail's ears" on top), a lot of engraving. DT/PG/cheekpiece/sling swivels. Slight Schnabel to the forend. Looked to me as if it was made for the German market with those features.

I don't believe they were so much copies but rather they were built to compete directly with the 21. I think they even placed them side by side in some of the old mail ordee catalogs. You got the model right... JC Higgins 100. They had beavertail forends, pistol grips, and non selective single triggers. Nice guns.... Nothing fancy but great quality. I miss mine. And I missed out on a nice 20ga model recently. I called just a few minutes after it sold.

Adam

Another "Sleeper" is Zastava, as far as field-grade A&D boxlocks. In now what is Serbia. Zastava was set up by a group of German investors, as I understand FN was. The few I've handled were very well made, and reminded me of typical German field-grade guns. There's more of them popping up now. Aesthetically, they look and feel better than the other Eastern-European types.

Kyrie,
If I had owned that gun, I wouldn't have put pictures up for everyone to see! Was it Lenin who said "Best, is the enemy of good enough"? That thing takes good enough to a whole different level.
Much like riding a moped or a really fat woman, it could be fun to try, but, don't let your friends catch you doing it.
Your tastes, have evolved very nicely. On the subject of shotguns, anyway.
Bravo.

Best,
Ted

It's funny you should say that; I bought the purely because it was the most ugly gun I'd ever seen.

It was also a cantankerous gun. The front trigger, and sometimes the rear trigger, would fire both barrels at once. It took two trips to the gun smith to fix that problem. It's amazing what two ounces of shot will do to a clay. The trapper just looked at the floating cloud of dust and said, "We won't bother to cook that one. We'll just spread it on toast."