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So what they were slaves a 100 plus years ago.

We don't owe them anything....fact is they should be happy and proud to be here.

JC, I read the material you referred to. My impression is that it is a sort of scholarly dodge on the question of whether Grant was a slave holder. Grant may or may not have voluntarily freed the ONE slave he seems to have owned himself before the war, but it seems clear that his wife's slaves were not freed until the Missouri constitutional convention after the war...Geo

what a can of worms...

You opened it dipshit.

It is quite clear that Grant freed the one slave he did own in 1859. The circumstances of that are unclear, but the slave was freed. The length of ownership was probably short as it was in relation to Grant's unsuccessful attempt at farming that the slave was owned.

The other slaves were not owned by Grant, but were owned by his father inlaw. Grant was in no position to free them.

JC, with all respect I read the material. Freedom is not the same as indentured out to earn freedom with the income of one's labor being paid to the former owner until the indenture is satisfied.

Mrs Grant's slaves were given to her by her father when she was a child. The article played around with the question of a bill of sale, but the parties, the father, the wife and the slaves all considered them to be her slaves. What the article does is beg the question as to whether General Grant was a slave holder to create doubt.

This is all just my take on the article, but anyone interested can open the link and read it for themselves...Geo

AMEN brother!

jOe, I don't see it that simply. Slavery was an evil institution, not just as viewed from our modern day sensibilities,but evil in itself. There are still repercussions of that institution borne by the black race today.

I perceive a vast sense of general guilt in the American people today. That guilt is made easier to bare by scapegoating it on to an object like the rebel flag and by extension upon the people of the South today and civil war monuments in general. We do not deserve it, but I think that is what is driving this rebel flag movement today.

No one in the South today has ever owned a slave, and no black man in America today has ever been a slave. No one anywhere in America that I am aware of would defend the institution today. No one anywhere owns slaves anymore with the possible exception of thug pimps or Arab sheikhs. Things were different 150 years ago...Geo

Okay, I'll bite, what repercussions are being borne today. I like that 'by extension' part. Are you a reparations kind of guy. Would that contractually clear the guilt.

I sense a monstrous couldn't care less by the American people today, tempered by the devastation of getting saddled with a pc label.

Slavery was wrong and the legacy is sad in many ways, but I do not feel a speck of personal guilt. My ancestors were still in Europe until they started coming through Ellis Island around 1885. Yes, there are serious problems. No, I did not cause them. But you and I are paying for them, and will undoubtedly pay more in the future.