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Thrifty,

Your close on my position, but still oh so far away. Kindly restate my position without the spin.


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Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
The group hug is really sweet and since all y'all feel so good about yourselves I'll not bother reminding you of the actual reality of the status of gun owners etc

have another day
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Won't be helped by ignoring it or putting your head in the sand. It's at risk now because others have worked hard to put reasonably unfettered ownership at risk. Stands to reason we need to work hard to keep the option to own available.


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Seems to me we've all decided how we'll vote around here and won't be changing any minds. Barring some big surprise in October or a blow out in the debates our Country is divided about 50/50 as usual in recent years.

Edge probably goes to Clinton. We'll have good government with either one of them and happily wave goodbye to President Obama. I'll vote Trump thank you...Geo

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Ted:

Don't let my "bomb-throwing" ruin a valuable resource for you. I get a little worked up every once in a while about some event in the world and I tend to vent in this fashion. I know that a couple of the denizens over on that site are pretty rabid lefties and I enjoy gigging them just a little. I'd like to believe that I do it in good taste, but that may not be universally agreed with. I'm a little disappointed that I got censored by the poor-soul running things there, but I appreciate the fact that he's been keeping things running since the passing of the original founder & owner. Since I don't have to listen to the incessant whining, I'm probably a little tone deaf.

Canvasback: Sorry we're going to miss you this trip. Let's keep trying.

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Nearly had me there, I choose to retract & refrain.
Anyhoo I need to get a Cyl choke for my Hatsan Escort.
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Originally Posted By: Lloyd3
Ted:

I get a little worked up every once in a while about some event in the world and I tend to vent in this fashion. I know that a couple of the denizens over on that site are pretty rabid lefties and I enjoy gigging them just a little. I'd like to believe that I do it in good taste, but that may not be universally agreed with. I'm a little disappointed that I got censored by the poor-soul running things there, but I appreciate the fact that he's been keeping things running since the passing of the original founder & owner.


Lloyd, Ted,

My question for you guys is why? I'm presupposing that you are referring to the 16 gauge forum which has a ban on "political" topics or more broadly stated has a rule to keep topics limited to the 16 gauge. I checked out the offending article (from the thread that supposedly got shut down), that Lloyd linked to, and it doesn't seem to fit the rules of the forum that, as members of that site, you agreed to adhere to. So if the owner of the site and the fellow authorized to run it has made a rule, why do you feel that its ok to violate it to giggle some lefties? And Ted, why are you so upset if the site is enforcing the known rules?

It is a private site. To be members, you have to get permission to participate. As conservatives, I am sure that you each respect ownership rights in property, and one of those rights is to lay down the rules that guests/members have to follow to be part of the club.

Why are you each incensed when the rules are upheld?


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Chris,
I was member 7 or 8 over there, actually I can't remember what number, but it was very soon after Doug Oliver started it. The rules kinda' crept in over the years. There were changes in them, to be sure. What I signed up for has changed a bit, to be sure. I knew the owner, and he was fairly loose with long term members giving permission to list items they had for sale that were not 16 gauge related, for example, something that has changed mostly due to newer members protesting to the guy that has been left running it. There are at least two newer regulars who feel the need to add their voices when they see something that they don't feel should be permitted, anywhere on the site. They are not moderators, or administrators. Dave had a similar problem here with an individual who felt the need to add running commentary on the for sale section, which, has been corrected. A beautiful thing, I might add.

My problem is the way it is enforced over there. The A-hole first class that put the link to a thread, that was unrelated to what Lloyd had posted, where a member was told in no uncertain terms to stand down with his joke about what ISIS initials stood for, has in his tag line (I'm para-phrasing, since, I'll no longer have anything to do with the site) words to the effect he is a leftist liberal who shoots fuzzy critters, and then a list of guns he does it with. I would also expect he was the clown that ran to tattle on Lloyd for his link, which, I don't remember Lloyd having much to say about it, except it made him sad. I don't know that it was him for sure, but, there wasn't a bunch of commentary on that post. It got scrubbed sometime after I pointed out A-hole first class' hypocrisy, and (politely, even if Drew doesn't think I have it in me) bid adeu to the site. I didn't call him the A-hole first class he is, but, I should have, and will, hence forth.

See, the A-hole first class makes a political statement every time he posts. Every time. No one, that I'm aware of over there, has in their tag line words about how they are a conservative and support certain outdoor sporting groups, as, they would be told to change that. And, A-hole first class shouldn't be allowed to have a statement like that in his tag line to begin with, if it is a politics free site.

But, he does. See where I'm going with this, Chris? It is exactly like when there is a counterpoint article in the Mpls Star and Tribune on, say, global warming, with a plea for some critical thinking, and honest scientific sceptisism, and the hordes write the editor that anyone who has that notion should be lumped in with the people who deny the Holocaust. Not only are they unwilling to listen to you, but, they are unwilling to allow you to speak your opinion.

And I'm sick of that. So, you are correct, it is a private site, and said private site can find someone else to add whatever enlightenment (not much, maybe, but, whatever) I added over the years, for the members-I'm out. Period.

My decision.

I'll repeat what I said that night, I wish every single one of them nothing but the very best. Adios.

Best,
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Ted,

As I said in the "Down One" Thread, I've been busy for the last few days and missed this current fray until now.

Let me first thank you for your kind words, and then congratulate you for nailing it on the glaring hypocrisy we see so often when these sorts of controversies crop up. I don't imagine that things are any different on the 16Ga.com site. I saw some of it recently on the Parker site after checking King Brown's dishonest mischaracterization of the banter there. This much is certain... King would be banned there if he posted some of the same anti-2nd Amendment crap as he does here.

Two thing really jumped out at me in this thread, and bear repeating. You said, "Politics are involved with the ownership and safe keeping of firearms. And, when it isn't, the will be no ownership or keeping of arms."

And James (canvasback) said,"But unlike James, I'm quite happy to have the dissenting voices that show up here on occasion. Always good to know what the enemy is thinking."

canvasback and I have sparred a bit on this matter, because we have a slight difference of opinion. Personally, like Jim, I too could live without the anti-gun trolls we have here. But canvasback could not have made a better choice of words when he described them as the enemy. Anyone who openly or secretly supports and defends those who wish to eliminate my gun rights is no friend to us. These people betray us and stab us in the back. Sadly, most are too stupid to see that they also are doing it to themselves. They don't call them Libtards for nothing. Others don't care because they are trolls. They pretend to be gun guys. No real gun guy could support Obama or Hillary unless they were brain dead.

And only a complete idiot like Ed Good could repeatedly state that the 10th Amendment allows the States to pass restrictive gun laws that preempt, usurp, and violate the 2nd Amendment. It would take someone of Ed's mentality to take issue with the post that Lloyd made on the 16 Ga. site.

Funny how some of the same kind of people who obviously support San Fran QB Colin Kaepernick's freedom to disrespect our country also wish to suppress any speech which is geared toward maintaining our gun rights. Yes Jim, Libtard is the correct term.




A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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I don't know any liberal gun owners that are anti-2nd amendment. I have hunted with one, former Dem candidate for the state legislature, for over 40 years. He's also retired military. Obviously a gun owner. Some people take "support the 2A" as a synonym requiring one to support virtually anyone owning virtually any weapon they wish--because when the Constitution was written, private citizens could pretty much own anything the military had. I don't think the Founders envisioned nukes, or even tanks with all weapons systems functional.

I'm sure my hunting partner (I can ask him at some point) would agree that gun control measures such as a ban on high cap magazines simply don't make sense. I trained on the M-1, which passes most high cap bans because it uses an 8 round clip. I can assure you, although I don't own an M-1 any more, that with a very short period of re-familiarization, I can shoot that gun about as fast as anyone with a high cap magazine. Reloading is a piece of cake if you have more clips. Stupid to think restricting magazine capacity is going to make much difference. I disagree with those who think so.

But I have zero interest in trying to chase someone off a gun-oriented BB, assuming they own guns, because they don't happen to own a handgun or a black rifle or whatever. Or even because they think I don't need to own one. This is a doublegun board. If they own a doublegun and want to talk about doubleguns, that's good enough for me. They think I don't need to own a handgun or a black rifle but I do . . . we agree to disagree and go on from there. This country is getting too damned polarized as it is. And gun owners are a minority. Best we make an effort to stick together, assuming we want to continue owning and shooting our guns.

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Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
Uhg (sp?) This thread already sucks.

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