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Can you say that in lay terms?
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Eckhorn hunting knife. Most interesting accoutrement. Not sure I've seen one cased in such a manner? I fancy an image of that colourful Imperial Eagle in the case top.
"Hirschfaenger" (hunting dagger), made by Carl Eickhorn, Solingen, Germany.
Austro-Hungarian Empire Imperial Eagle w/ sword & globe/orb.
The small coat of arms of Oesterreich-Ungarn (1806-1915), in the middle from left to right Habsburg, Österreich, Lothringen, parts of the empire.
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The "Jon" indeed is very interesting.... "JOHANN" or "JOHANNES" is always shortened to "JOH" (or, as in this case, only with "J")what may be read as "JON" in engraved letters.. This is to be seen in a russian forum: http://forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/112/397952.htmlI cannot imagine that any European maker would write "JON".... I think the sign is added later... Cheers, Gunwolf
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 Wolfgang on the 2008 thread, it was peddled by Johann Kalezky's widow, which was later & the name was misread: Joh. The case & accouterments were prepared for an English speaking client that fancied the 45-70 cartridge. There is another image of a brass tag that reads Vienna, Austrian(I'll have to upload it) & I for one would assume that about every European knew the location of Wien so why have tag that reads Vienna, Austria unless it was for a hunter from the U.S. of A.? Cheers, Raimey rse
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In my unlearned opinion, the case with tags is a latter US addition. The "Hirschfaenger" is intended to administer the "Coup de Grace"(?) to a wounded Hirsch( Red Deer Stag). It would be helpful to see photos of the proof marks.
Mike
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We have only seen bits and pieces of the gun and the case.
Plenty room for speculation.
I see the possibility that the gun did not come from Vienna in this case. The whole set may have been composed later.
Those brass plates are engraved (or actually stamped ?) quite crudely, not in the quality and the spelling (e.g. "JON" or "VIENNA, AUSTRIA") one would expect.
One rather would expect some trade label from Kalezky in the lid of the case?
The rifle once had a scope, the rear base for a "Wiener Schnäpper-Montage" can be seen. Now look at the the inletting or the "bed" for the barrels in the case. There is room for the scope bases, but I see no scope.
Not logic to lovingly compile a rifle and a hunting dagger in a case but leave out the scope.
Finally, I am still puzzled about the .45-70. Would like to see proof marks, as all of you.
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and another cased "Jon" Kalezky...:
http://uoor.com.ua/forum/index.php?threads/Зброя-як-мистецтво.34783/page-47
Very strange in my opinion..
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The kyrillic alphabet has no letter for "H".
If you see an "H" in kyrillic writing it means "N" !
Last edited by fuhrmann; 09/25/16 11:41 AM.
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this would point to a russian origin of who ever it made...
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Ah, I'm not sold on any of that just yet. oshans is only say an hour & 1/4 West of me so I may nip in & see it in person.
Cheers,
Raimey
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