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Ted, How hard, I.e. expensive is it to bring a gun in from France now?

Getting a gun from France to the US can be done for around $500.

Ted, my understanding from my imperfect reading of Mournatas's book is that the internals are the same as every other Ideal, they just reshaped the outside and added the plates to make it appear as a sidelock.

But I have never taken one apart nor have I seen pics of an type Anglais apart.

aint neva scene no side lock gon wid out pins...an supossidly da mo pins da betta? lik ah 22 pin gon is betta dan ah 18 pin gon, or not?

Ed, go somewhere else and be an idiot. Quit trolling my thread.

by your command...

There exist pinless locks. NOT saying this is one, but, it has been done, mostly in Italy.

The advantages of the Ideal, the slim metalwork with rounded action, different, but, useful opening lever, and the ability to cock or uncock the gun with the opening lever, would be mostly lost were the Ideal guts stuffed into a conventional looking frame.

I don't see the point. Did a Frenchman really believe an Englishman would be tempted to buy and use one of these, versus what was availabe in his hometown, or, close by, produced by his neighbors?

More than one Frenchman has told me to imagine anything the English do, and then understand a Frenchman does the opposite.


Best,
Ted

I like the basic French Ideal, think it is a good looking gun and is tougher then a junkyard dog.

James has answered the import question, and is key to getting the cost down. We both have developed limited contacts in France, but continue to slowly expand them as we (mostly James) help some members get Ideals over here.

Ted, like James stated this is their trigger plate action internals with the externals configured to attempt to appeal to the English market. With little success, I believe. Besides the receiver externals, a top rib was added, and the brettelle automatique appears to be eliminated. See below http://www.naturabuy.fr/IDEAL-modele-ANGLAIS-item-2081633.html The checkering does not look factory to me, and not of a quality that would have been found on a Perfection (note overrun on left side), and led me to also wonder if this might be a restock. Larry makes some good observations.

http://www.positiveshooting.com/Boxhall%20and%20Edmiston.html

Just an example, apologies if it's a bit off topic.