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So you hate me and insult me because I disagree with you?
I expected a dumb response that further demonstrated your stupidity and total lack of comprehension. You exceeded my expectations. Thanks.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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As usual you simply insult instead of an actual argument
You reveal your hatefulness and personal animus.
I will treat your posts as they rate.
Enjoy your continued seclusion as you hide behind your screen name beneath your cyber bridge
Bless you
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So, lets gat back to this beautiful French gun.
Like who built the damn thing.
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Sorry for causing all the ruckus by asking about the French SXS. Guess French Guns just stir up some real emotions with some folks.. LOL...
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No apology needed....You soon learn that anytime Keith posts on any subject, it turns to trash..
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Mon Dieu. I thought children got disciplined and were brought up right in our America.
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So the differences between the European Houses and the English Houses were, what?
The Spanish, French and Belgium each had small working shops that created these masterpieces from start to finish in small numbers whereas in England and also in Germany these small Houses would rough out various parts then send them along to the bigger Houses to be finished?
And we throw all of the European small Houses under the Guild gun label?
Or is that to general of a statement?
And shouldn't Georges Granger be considered a small shop also.
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Not really so different . . . other than the fact that quite a few of the European guild guns don't carry any maker's name, while it's very rare to find a "no name" Brit gun.
Most of the so-called guild guns aren't masterpieces, and most of them weren't made in one shop. They were cooperative projects involving outworkers, each focusing on his own specialty: stocker, actioner, barrel maker, etc. And in many cases, those outworkers also worked on guns made for "name" makers.
There were relatively few large "name" makers that did everything in house. Francotte in Belgium, Sauer in Germany, and Manufrance and Darne in France would be examples, along with Webley & Scott in the UK. Most of the smaller volume makers relied to at least some extent on outworkers. And in some cases, the name you find on a shotgun is that of the shop that sold it--and they may have had little or nothing to do with actually making the gun.
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So the differences between the European Houses and the English Houses were, what?
The Spanish, French and Belgium each had small working shops that created these masterpieces from start to finish in small numbers whereas in England and also in Germany these small Houses would rough out various parts then send them along to the bigger Houses to be finished?
And we throw all of the European small Houses under the Guild gun label?
Or is that to general of a statement?
And shouldn't Georges Granger be considered a small shop also. I would say the difference is amount of expertise on part of buyer to get a good one. With English it comes down to British proof marks and whether the gun is in proof while with guns from countries like France, Belgium and Spain its a crap shoot. If you want solid quality British guild gun I can recommend 'Army & Navy' "brand". For those need something solid for less German and Italian is good place to start. For example, entry level JP Sauer extractor, German Geco, PB extractor, Antonio Zoli or VB will be solid long lasting gun given minimum of care.
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Not really so different . . . other than the fact that quite a few of the European guild guns don't carry any maker's name, while it's very rare to find a "no name" Brit gun.
Most of the so-called guild guns aren't masterpieces, and most of them weren't made in one shop. They were cooperative projects involving outworkers, each focusing on his own specialty: stocker, actioner, barrel maker, etc. And in many cases, those outworkers also worked on guns made for "name" makers.
There were relatively few large "name" makers that did everything in house. Francotte in Belgium, Sauer in Germany, and Manufrance and Darne in France would be examples, along with Webley & Scott in the UK. Most of the smaller volume makers relied to at least some extent on outworkers. And in some cases, the name you find on a shotgun is that of the shop that sold it--and they may have had little or nothing to do with actually making the gun. The quintessential British guild guns are the 'Army & Navy' pieces and for us Americans Birmingham made "Winchester" hammer guns ie the best double guns ever to grace the Winchester name. Those date back to good old days when like us today Great Britain was a superpower with large number of colonies.
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