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Army & Navy guns are not "guild" guns. They were all built from raw forging, to the guns completion at the Webley & Scott factory in Birmingham.
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My Army & Navy was certainly a Webley & Scott made gun but were they all??
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Winchester imports were manufactured by specific makers. Individual components may have been fabricated by a small "guild" operation, but it would be more appropriate to refer to them as tradename guns, of which some Belgian makers and Crescent gave a bad name  A Class C   The first two orders of guns Winchester imported were made by C.G. Bonehill, and were in five grades from Match Gun down to D-quality. In 1882 a third order was acquired from Richard Redman. Winchester also imported guns from W.C. McAntree & Co. and W.C. Scott & Sons.
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No not all A&N guns were built W&S. The records are available through the University of Glasgow. Free to find out who ordered it and what year. Digital pictures of the order sheet are 40 GBP. Here is a sample: http://www.gla.ac.uk/media/media_67061_en.pdf
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No not all A&N guns were built W&S. The records are available through the University of Glasgow. Free to find out who ordered it and what year. Digital pictures of the order sheet are 40 GBP. Here is a sample: http://www.gla.ac.uk/media/media_67061_en.pdf We're splitting hairs here. 99% of the A&N sxs shotguns were made by W&S. Save a few spiral spring guns marked A&N. Calling A&N's guild guns is just bad info.
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Army & Navy guns are not "guild" guns. They were all built from raw forging, to the guns completion at the Webley & Scott factory in Birmingham. Yes, those are guns with forged components mostly from Birmingham and some provincial trade. They are quality guns often found at reasonable price. Not being fancy or expensive one does not need to worry about stuff like seamless sleeving. You get what you see wonderful guns. The English name for European guild guns were Ironmonger guns mostly from Belgium. One good example would be clunker sold under name W. Richards as in not Westley Richards. Americans call such guns Hardware Store specials. The proof of how great English game guns were does not come from Boss, Purdey, Holland, Churchill,....but from Demonworks aka Midland Gun Company in form of 5.5lb 12ga BLE 2.5" game gun. It is testimonial to their great gunmaking skill in barrel and action construction. I don't mind demons and I'm not afraid of going to hell.
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Would it be reasonable to refer to "tradename" guns as those made by a maker who also marketed essentially the same model under their own name? Hunter Arms Fulton tradename guns would fit.
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Dear all
My post was not to anyone in particular...It was just a comment on how fucked up I think this board is sometimes
So far I have made two posts on this thread, both not really about the original topic either, so I am at fault too.
Yes, I have made some crappy comments about Ed, but I don't jump on every post & strangle it with page after page of You said this n he said that.
I am here to talk about shotguns for Christ sake, nothing else ,that's all.This is getting real old real fast
Nice Gun man!
cheers
franc
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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I've noticed a trend here guys, when we begin a discussion about the European gun trade we immediately begin to argue over the English gun trade.
So Rivolier Pere ET Fils built this gun, lock, stock and barrel, correct?
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