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keith #484228 06/29/17 06:52 PM
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Sign your posts as you choose. Yep, King Brown is a friend of mine and we get along just fine despite his unfortunate political and social opinions. Nope, the kennel reference was not a coincidence....Geo

Back to ignore; seems to work out for the best.

Last edited by Geo. Newbern; 06/29/17 06:53 PM. Reason: added final sentence
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Yes Geo, it is always best to IGNORE someone by repeatedly responding to them! Last Dollar and Larry Brown both do that. I would have bet you were smarter than them.

I didn't comment on your friendship with the anti-2nd Amendment Troll King Brown other than to note that you had possession of that old newspaper article about him long before you decided to post it as another non-Double Gun off-topic thread. You don't seem to want to discuss that Geo. It just seemed strange that a guy like you, who acted like he didn't like the sort of contentious discussion generated by things like that, knowingly and admittedly started a shit-storm... and then responded to my recognition of the fact by pretending to IGNORE me... just as I am now doing to you...

I'm glad your kennel reference seems to make you happy. All it did for me was to remind me about your friend King telling us how he abused his dog by prying his mouth open and hawkering a couple big green loogies down his throat when the poor thing was frightened.

Originally Posted By: King Brown
Mike, I only did it that one time. Two big ones down his throat.


Well, it was nice pretending to IGNORE each other. So until the next time you pretend to IGNORE me by responding to me...

See Ya!

Selby... or Jack, or John M... whatever... a rose by any other name, etc. cool


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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I don't think that the term 'sniper' is appropriate to use. Their job of overwatch alone is more in tune with a sharpshooter than a sniper.

But since the word 'sniper' has become associated with the highest form of shooting a rifle its used to designate the very top performance and performer with a rifle.

But the term evolved out of a top performer and performance with a shotgun. Go figure.

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Just send me to Hell or Nova Scotia, it'd be about the same to me.


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What about your friend Crosby? I'll take you to his place on Grand Lake, in sight of the international airport.

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Don't fall for it Lonesome... it's a trick!

He'll get you drunk on some of that hallucinogenic lichen brandy he drinks, and then hawker a couple big green loogies down your throat. Then you'll become one of his mindless Liberal Left toadies who think that lies, bloviating, and anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric on a shotgun forum is good and proper.

Originally Posted By: King Brown
Mike, I only did it that one time. Two big ones down his throat.


Too bad Geo didn't post some photos of his good friend socializing with John F. Kennedy, or Bobby, or Ted, or Martin Luther King... or on a lunch date with Jackie Kennedy... or hangin' with Fidel Castro, or even making some of that award winning wine he always bragged about. Now that would have been something! I guess King can now claim that those images are being held hostage by Photobucket.

Here's the guy who has never seen any anti-gun sentiment in this forum once again denying the Individual Right that was intended by the Framers... in their own words... and affirmed by the Supreme Court.

Originally Posted By: King Brown

I believe that during the previous 218 years the Second meant what it said: firearms shall be held by "the People"---a collective and not individual right---insofar they are in the service of "a well-regulated militia." Was an individual right even mentioned at the Constitutional Convention or in the House when it ratified the Amendment or when debated in state legislatures? I don't think so.


Sarah Brady, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Michael Bloomberg, Josh Sugarmann, Barack Obama, and other anti-gunners would be proud of him.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Jack. read it again. Was an individual right even mentioned? There's also no denying the Second is a living document. As for spitting down a dog's throat, it's an old-time remedy for mistreatment by previous owners, in my case by a handler too ambitious and impatient trying to make it to junior field nationals. It worked. I recommend it. Within six months a dog that rolled over with all feet in the air if I just yelled at him turned into a confident near-perfect hunting partner.

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Yes King Brown, an Individual Right was mentioned many times as the Constitution was being drafted, written, debated, and ratified. The words of the 2nd Amendment alone are clear enough King... except for the most anti-2nd Amendment agenda driven zealots like yourself. The other Amendments which include the term "the Right of THE PEOPLE" are never construed to mean anything other than an Individual Right. Why would the 2nd be any different... except for the desires of an anti-gunner like you?

It is anti-2nd Amendment that individuals like you keep distorting and lying about while trying to re-write history. I took the time to provide numerous quotes made by the Framers both before, during, and after ratification of the U.S. Constitution. They should provide clarification to all but anti-2nd Amendment people like you who are in total denial... and who wish to promote a dishonest narrative. Here they are again. There are many more. I challenged you to prove that the NRA invented these or re-wrote history, both here and in past threads. You can't do it... and you remain a dishonest old fraud.

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”
– Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”
-Benjamin Franklin

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823


What Thomas Jefferson is saying in that last one is that your idiotic idea that the Constitution is a "Living Document" is simply another Liberal Left lie. Such a distorted notion would render the document as valueless and expendable as toilet paper. The Framers devised means to change the Constitution, and it does not include lying about the words of the Framers or Liberal Left judicial activism. Your actions here suggest you would rather follow this guideline:

"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3


As for your poor dog, I would have to assume that it was the treatment of other members of your family that made him confident... not prying his damn mouth open and hawkering a couple loogies down his throat as he was cowering in fear of you. That's just sick.

Sincerely,

Selby Lowndes, a.k.a. Jack Schitt... (you don't know Jack Schitt!)


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....There's also no denying the Second is a living document....

So, are you saying that 'we' really are not in this together? I know you're well aware that just a handful, good ole boy elite club, of non elected judges have taken the will of the people and replaced it with their ideological feelings, right? Now what sort of big tent is that?

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I don't see a single declarative sentence of an individual right in all of the above, Jack. If there are many, as you say, please provide where it's mentioned at the Constitutional Convention or in the House when it ratified the Amendment or when debated in state legislatures.

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