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Lloyd3 #485692 07/15/17 10:18 AM
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The 552 had that little floating chamber insert which allowed it to handle the short loads. It just had enough Leeway to handle the long & LR both, Theoretically at least the floating chamber only came into play with the Short case. The Long had the same length case as the LR but with a lighter bullet.


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Ted:

This board is always a treasure-trove of obscure gun-related information. I did a quick review on your 241 Remington suggestion and......wow! Cool gun and story. All those pre-war Remingtons are very well made. Didn't know about that particular Browning connection but it makes perfect sense. Thank you for that.

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Lloyd,
You are welcome.

I am a fount of useless information.

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Ted; I read the Remington 241 is the result of a John Moses Browning patent. So, maybe we need to rethink the Industrial DNA question??


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Buzz,
The spread of industrial DNA is quite incestuous. No reason to rethink anything.

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I like that reply, Ted. Good one. :-)


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Ted:

Was the Model 24 (the precursor to the 241) Remington closer to the original Browning product?

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Lloyd,
I have only handled model 24 Remington rifles at gunshows. I have never seen a nice example, or, had the opportunity to shoot one. Just looking over the google page, I'd guess you are on the right track.
I never cared for the Browning, it is so little, that even as a kid, I had a hard time getting comfortable shooting one. I have seen firsthand that they are sensitive to ammunition, and not extremely accurate. But, they are likely accurate enough for any small game hunting I ever did with a .22 rifle. I would NEVER put a scope on a 241 or a Browing automatic on the receiver, spend the extra money and deal with a cantilever barrel mount. I am at a point where I struggle too much with iron sights to get good results shooting with them. I also never put a specific .22 scope on a gun, even a cheap 1" scope was better.

The 241 is a high quality piece. Much went into the production of those guns, and it shows. Ditto the Belgian Brownings.

The 552 is a very modern design, and with it's aluminum receiver and use of stamped parts, no one will confuse it with an expensive gun.

Until they shoot it at a target. Or, load it up with a handful of .22 shorts and LR cartridges, well mixed, and proceed to empty the magazine without a hitch. I shot a lot of .22 shorts with mine, as the long rifle rounds would pass right through a squirrel and leave him high in a tree, resulting in an hour of rock throwing, while a .22 short would nearly always knock his ass right off the limb. They were not as accurate as standard .22 long rifle, but, they were accurate enough.

There is literally no difference in results when shooting at paper with my 552 or my 581 bolt gun.


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Appreciate that good first-hand info Ted. This Nylon gun is destined for my brother's collection and I hadn't really thought much about semi-auto .22s until now. You have, however, peaked my interest.

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Lloyd,
Might just be me, but, a .22 rifle is about like a motocycle helmet, or a jockstrap.

You want to be comfortable with it.

I vividly remember the day I had my scope mounted on my 552, and my Dad (USMC sniper instructor, circa 1961-63) and I went to print it on paper. My Dad proceeded to put 25 rounds, at 50 yards, in a spot easily covered with a Mercury dime.
But, he bitched about that gun all the way there, and all the way home, after laying down that piece of work. He didn't like the weight, he didn't like the front wood, he didn't like the checkering, he didn't like the trigger, on and on and on.

I had several "Whatever, Dude" moments with my Dad, and this was likely the first.

Nobody could repeat that performance with his 241, him included, but, he just didn't like my gun. But, we could all shoot the 241 well enough to accomplish what needed to be done, any given day.


I'd tell you to find a 552. You are a pretty big guy, and that gun will fit you like it was made for you. Parts are easily available, and it will eat anything you feed it. Mine replaced a Ruger 10/22, that had a lousy trigger, and was a bit little also.

Never regretted that move.

This advice was free, and worth at least double what you paid for it.

See you in October.

Best,
Ted

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