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Don's comment that "I think aesthetics of a gun is a valid fit point for some shooters" is likely correct, with the emphasis on 'some'.

I gave a wispy little AyA a try. As beautiful as that gun was, it was no dice. A nifty Bernadelli also received my honest best effort. I sucked.

I wanted very much to be able to shoot those guns. Down the road to new owners they went.

What came along eventually was a Rizzini, just as pretty as the others I failed with but this one has a high stock, a long pull, and some weight in the ends. Bingo. I can shoot it.


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I don't know how many game birds you shoot at in a year,
but it really is a "horses for courses" endeavor.

Guns that move well on the target field can be a little slow when taking ruffed grouse off the flush. At least that's my experience. They just seem slow to get out front of the bird when they launch.

I'm pretty sure that's why small bores with short light barrels have such a following in the woods.

They are a brutal task master when you start shooting typical clay courses with them. No momentum. If your move doesn't put the shot out front, mass won't do it for you.


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Understand.

The Rizzini with two 20 gauge shells in it weighs exactly 6 pounds, so it's actually lighter than the AyA was, and a good bit lighter than the Bernie.

The weight distribution is what does it. The gun has 29" barrels and a 15" pull.

I've always favored a 28" Beretta 20ga. O/U in the woods. It's a good compromise between weight and control for me.


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Moment of intertia. Dynamics. People used to call it balance, but I can get a barbell to balance. I think Gough Thomas discussed this in his book 'Shotguns and Cartridges'.


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Originally Posted By: Shotgunjones
Understand.

The Rizzini with two 20 gauge shells in it weighs exactly 6 pounds, so it's actually lighter than the AyA was, and a good bit lighter than the Bernie.

The weight distribution is what does it. The gun has 29" barrels and a 15" pull.

I've always favored a 28" Beretta 20ga. O/U in the woods. It's a good compromise between weight and control for me.


Exactly! That is the only reason I can shoot typically 60-70% on a dove field with a 4 lb. 14 oz. Yildiz .410 ............. alloy receiver, 28" tubes and a man-sized buttstock. Mass is moved more towards the ends of the gun.

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re: Lefever.
Uncle Dan was a regular competitor and promoter
1895
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1895/VOL_25_NO_21/SL2521021.pdf
1897
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1897/VOL_29_NO_15/SL2915026.pdf
Lefever Arms Diamond Medal race and 2nd most popular gun at the New York State Association Tournament
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1897/VOL_29_NO_13/SL2913030.pdf
At the 1900 GAH
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1900/VOL_35_NO_05/SL3505012.pdf
1905
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1905/VOL_45_NO_23/SL4523029.pdf

Col. Courtney (later of Remington/U.M.C.) was a Lefever rep
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1897/VOL_29_NO_06/SL2906026.pdf

1903 Lefever promo, and the introduction of the Durston Special
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1903/VOL_41_NO_05/SL4105021.pdf

An accomplished shooter from Kansas used a Lefever
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/kansas-state-champion-e-w-arnold-and-his-lefever.494345/

1903 GAH winner
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1903/VOL_41_NO_06/SL4106018.pdf

1905 GAH winner, and guns "especially bored for trap use."
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1905/VOL_46_NO_14/SL4614014.pdf

A.H. Durston was also a competitor and rep
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1905/VOL_45_NO_17/SL4517029.pdf

More Lefever stuff here
http://www.trapshooters.com/threads/shoot-a-lefever-and-improve-your-record.234202/

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