doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com The Turks are getting better and better....

loss of manufacturing in the U.S and Canada has taken a terrible toll. I use to bid on moving Canadian companies to Mexico. it was sickening. unless csmc has a far less superior product...why not support it. going to the lowest common denominator has cost thousands of jobs. Trump knows it, and hopefully will fulfill a campaign promise to bring back good paying manufacturing jobs.

save money...live better...ya right. just ask your neighbours who are now out of work cause because the plant was moved to....where ever in order to save you money.

and yes...I look for Canadian products and would rather eat at a family restaurant than the tim hortons across the street. support your neighbours with your dollars...rather than your tax money through unemployment or welfare funds. but that's just me.

oh...and I think America is a great country filled with great people. some of whom I may not get along with...but that's life. not sure where the leftest comment comes info play?

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SRH

your question is ludicrous Stan. but I think you knew it was.

I may be off base, but it looks to me like the material costs for a mass produced gun like the Yildiz sxs would be only marginally higher in the USA than in Turkey. I would think that the CNC machines and the components would be similar, especially since they wouldn't have the import costs.

So that leaves the labor and govt regulations as the big difference on input costs. My Y guns have the appearance of being primarily made by machines. So why couldn't CSMC or some other US company mass produce entry level sxs shotguns and sell them for under $1000? It may be that they just don't want to. It also may be that they don't know how.

I am not arguing and I don't know the answer. I would love to buy a new American made sxs set up like I want, but it doesn't exist.

I�m not picking on the Turks at all. An excellent point was made about low labor costs enabling the Turks to produce competitively priced shotguns. Nothing new here. AKUS fills a niche market and many can testify that they are good guns. I think about Korean cars. 20 years ago They were crap, now they compete very effectively against the rest of the world. The winners are the low cost producers. The Italian makers should be worried.

And dal is spot on about the loss of domestic industry as we chase the �deals� at the big box stores or wherever. We complain about the loss and lack of domestically made products and wonder why when the answer is looking at us in the mirror.

Of course I did, dal. But the reason was to point out that we pick and choose what we want to get our panties in a wad about. I'm a patriot. I have great appreciation for the sacrifices made over the last 250 years to make this such a wonderful place to live. I support American made at every opportunity. But, the opportunities are getting less and less as the world "gets smaller".

You said, "lower working/living standards and pay scales allow them to ship over a gun for next to nothing. I would much rather support csmc and American workers that pay American taxes, than buy a Turkish gun. but that's just me.". I'd like to understand just what you meant by that. Do you mean you will do without an item you want forever, just because it is not made in America? Or, do you mean that, like I did when I ordered my Dickinson .410, check for availability of it being made in America, then decide if the extra cost of the item made here is worth "buying patriotic"?

I always wanted a 30" barreled .410 S x S, with ejectors, and double triggers, and had waited for many years hoping someone would build them. CSMC decided to, and I looked at one, and couldn't handle the price.

So, am I unpatriotic? Or, are you talking out of both sides of your mouth when you say you won't buy Turkish made guns, but you buy other stuff made outside the U.S.A.?

SRH

Their low end timing was very good, Stan. The Turkish guns started showing up just about the time the Spanish were "moving on up", to quote the line from "The Jeffersons". And as I noted, they've now bumped up to the $2,000 neighborhood--give or take a little--and seem to be successful. But it's a gradual process. When they tried to make the jump from guns in the 3 figure range to $5,000 Kimber sidelocks . . . that didn't work at all. Mainly because there were well-established Spanish makers (like AyA) selling sidelocks with a solid track record for less. But given the current market, now there's room for a good sidelock. Maybe not quite $5K, but if they can do it in the $3-4k range, where there's essentially no competition . . . might be time to make that jump.

Maybe it's time for an American gun writer or two to visit Turkey and speak glowingly of the skilled craftsmen, as they did when Spanish guns ceased being regarded as cheap junk. But the Basques aren't Muslims. The Turks do have that hurdle to clear.

There no need to feel unpatriotic by buying products made outside USA. The fault for status quo lies with wealthy consumers wanting the cheapest shit possible and politicians who cater to Wall Street, bankers, corporations because they own stocks in companies that move production out of this country to reduce costs. The corporations/executives, bankers, investors can donate to reelection campaign of those politicians assuring that the vicious self-serving cycle continues indefinitely. I would say if one enjoys shooting old vintage guns their number one ammo supplier should be RST shells.