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So I guess we can all agree,
Model 21's are a gift from the Almighty himself
and only a Commie would molest the chokes.
'Nuff said.
Not really, Bob, they're just shotguns, not the Holy Grail. You obviously think differently. Must be lonely in that ivory tower. And I knew my question wouldn't be answered. Good luck with your collecting those precious "unmolested" Model 21's. JR
Be strong, be of good courage.
God bless America, long live the Republic.
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There you go John, a collector that said he wouldn't touch one that was altered. So if you alter it you just eliminated a lot of collectors willing to spend money. I wouldn't risk it. Is that supposed to matter? If I bought a 12 gauge Model 21 to shoot and enjoy at clays and game, I could not give a lesser frig about what the collector crowd wants. You think Bob's position is all there is when it comes to 21 owners? What's more, they're STILL BEING MADE in New Britain, CT. I'm through with this tarbaby. JR
Last edited by John Roberts; 01/18/18 08:43 PM.
Be strong, be of good courage.
God bless America, long live the Republic.
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I wrote "collector" because it was easier to write that than "people who buy Model 21s" all the time. They're expensive and there is only so many people out there willing to pay the cost and most like their Model 21s 'in original Factory condition.'
Look at the Lefever collectors or Parker collectors or LC Smith collectors, Colt collectors, they're all the same and they all like their guns in 'original factory condition.'
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...I'm through with this tarbaby.
JR
I’m pretty sure President Trump said tarbaby right before he said shit hole.
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...I'm through with this tarbaby.
JR
I’m pretty sure President Trump said tarbaby right before he said shit hole. Can't let that go unanswered, because that's a pretty far-fetched wild a$$ assumption, Bob. But here's something that might help you understand where I'm coming from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-BabyWorth mentioning and an fyi before I go: I only base my opinion on this subject based on standard, un-engraved field-grade 12 ga. Model 21's, not small-bores or Grand Americans, or important guns of former notable owners with provenance that are sought after strictly because of rarity or uniqueness. Now then, I'm done with this tarbaby. JR
Last edited by John Roberts; 01/18/18 11:33 PM.
Be strong, be of good courage.
God bless America, long live the Republic.
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John,
Years ago I had a conversation with the only gunsmith to come from this area who had a national reputation. At the time he was installing screw in chokes. He told me never put screw in chokes in a good gun, because sooner or later those threads are going to crack. He said everybody even Briley. I know it's easy to say that technology has changed and improved and things can be repaired.
The other side of the coin is that most people who buy a Model 21 just do it for the Winchester name. They have more money than they need or know what to do with. When something goes bad they just buy a new one. It's hard to argue with Deep Pockets.
Last edited by volleyfire; 01/19/18 01:41 AM.
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All, thanks to those who provided constructive feedback. Apologies for the delay, I was offline a few days dealing with an unexpected death in the family.
I appreciate the offers on other 21s but none are quite the configuration I’m looking for. Like Stan said, my heart is set on 30” barrels. I did locate a 3” F/F gun but I need something a little more versatile choke-wise. I feel it would only be a matter of time before I’d want them opened. I will brush up on the patent and get a copy of Schwing’s book.
Some really nice 21s posted! Looking forward to “wasting” my money on one.
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