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Nothing says you is in good hands quite like having Jagermeister put Keith in his place on your behalf. Thank you Jager, Im sure this time hes gonna listen. Ok, good college try, Bob; still not 100% though.....Undoubtedly, Keith will listen now.
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So this raises a question. Does a SXS shotgun loosen from shots fired or from cycling the action open and closed? 25,000 rounds would equate to at least 12,500 openings and 12,500 closings of the action. Actual cycles should be much higher. So does the action bar spring open, ala Tobin, or does the hinge pin/hook wear from cycling? Makes no sense to me that recoil from shooting a gun would wear the hinge. Not in any way making an excuse for CSMC just curious. Chief
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So this raises a question. Does a SXS shotgun loosen from shots fired or from cycling the action open and closed? Chief Yes and yes. The two are inseparable. But you could open and close a sxs (or o/u) 25,000 times without firing it, and it would be much tighter than doing the same thing and shooting it. JR
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I believe this applies to all firearms. "when fired, they behave not unlike a crooked string of coupling rail cars." Additionally, clearance gaps accelerate toward excess as round count increases.
Part of the promotion of original M21's was their longer life in use.
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I'll have to accept that as I won't possibly be able to prove or disprove it. I do know that I have a gun that has app. 10,000 rounds through it over 20+ years. Harsh, full power hunting loads mostly along with some lighter ones. This particular type of gun is known to "shoot loose" with heavy use, what defines heavy use? I am just now starting to be able to detect a very small bit of play in the joint. I am diligent in keeping the hinge clean and lubed. I also am in the habit of opening a gun every time I have a chance, both at home and in the field. The gun probably has easily double that amount of cycles on the hinge. The gun will surely continue on as built since a couple newer guns are bearing the brunt of the abuse now.
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Interesting read, and yes I skimmed a few bits! It's telling that some of the vaunted names failed pretty early on in the torture test. Also that those same guns give, for the most part excellent service in real world use. Is it true that most guns designed for high volume shooting are O/U and in the conventional sense don't have a hinge pin?
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Chief, I shoot a great deal, 20,000 cartridges at game is an astounding count.
I can tell you that 10k rounds a year (spread out over numerous shotguns) wears out equipment. And, breaks some.
I take the volumes people say they shoot with a grain of salt.
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They don't twist when fired, unlike a SxS.
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Clapper Z I think you misunderstood my count. On average I would shoot a couple boxes at pheasants and a couple boxes at grouse per year for the 25 years that I lived in paradise. That would account for 2500 rounds more or less. The rest were several flats per year of Walmart type promo loads, these are not gentle. This was while my kids were home, we shot a lot of barnyard trap and some local league shoots and SC. At the time said gun was my only gun. They don't have odometers on them but I bet I'm not far off. I never said the gun never was broken, trigger wouldn't work once and a broken spring as I recall. My hat's off to you that you can endure 10K/year!
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