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I was looking at Landis and wondered if it was the 22 Ackley Improved 219 Zipper or 22-219 for short?

Thanks so much. I have been tearing my library apart looking for ".22 Caliber Varmint Rifles" by Landis and can't find it. I am hoping I have a .22 Ackley Improved Zipper.

So almost a rimmed 22-250?

The .219 AI Zipper is a near ballistic clone of the .225 Winchester and reloading data for the .225 can be used for it, although I'd limit myself to loads below max, particularly in some of the less strong actions like the Winchester and Marlin lever actions and the Martini Cadet. There is also some concern that .30-30 or .25-35 brass isn't as strong as that of the .225, although I've never had that problem in a .219 AI.

Do anneal the brass before fireforming unless you want to lose a bunch of the cases to shoulder splits.

Thanks.

A chamber cast and "slugging" the barrel is still required to ID the nominal caliber.
Mike

Finally have the gun in hand. I tried a .219 Zipper case and .22 Hi Power and neither fit. I will see if Buffalo Arms will send me a couple of .219 Donaldson Wasp which is a possibility. Buffalo Arms doesn't load the Ackley Improved. I would borrow a .219 Donaldson Wasp or the mentioned Ackley Improved from "one of us" if it were offered.

Bill I have a Hi wall that is a Mirciante 22 Blue Streak, it is apparently based on a 22 hi power. I have a chamber cast I can send you if you wish, I also have a bunch of cases for a 225 R, seems to be a rimmed 250 savage on a 30-30 case. I will send one of these also, if it works you can have the cases (100+) some loaded. Also if you check Google they have Landis' book which you can read on-line or buy it on Amazon. Best bet is to make a chamber cast of your gun and mystery is solved. Email your address if you want the cases (email is in my profile)

Probably time to do a chamber cast. I'm surprised the Zipper case doesn't fit, but who knows.

I have one of Landis' books, although I'm not sure whether it's the one you need, and I'll try to find it. I also have an early book on wildcat cartridges and I'll check to see if there's a reference to this cartridge in that.

Having a cardiac catheterization procedure tomorrow morning, so I may not get back to you for a couple of days.

I believe there are something like 4 versions of the .219 Donaldson Wasp with different positions of the shoulder and different lengths of the neck. Donaldson's last version was a long body long neck. I'm also surprised the Zipper didn't fit. Please do a chamber cast and give us the measurements so we can match it up and end the suspense. It only takes a few minutes and is very easy to do. https://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=chamber+cast&ksubmit=y
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/462291/national-metallic-chamber-casting-alloy-1-2-lb