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#527198 10/29/18 06:27 PM
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Is there anyone here who has a 9x70 R & what do you feed it ?

I have done numerous searches for the ammo & it seems to be obsolete & very hard to get. The same with dies.

If you do shoot one, what is your opinion of the round & is it worth the trouble to get.
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9 X 70 R mm (the same cartridge as the 400/360 Westley Richards Nitro Express}

https://www.gunvaluesboard.com/i-have-a-......-530594.html

http://www.kynochammunition.co.uk/400-360%20WR.html

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They're ALL worth the trouble to acquire.


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moses,
The easiest way to get ammo is to load your own. The most used case is the 9.3x74R, shortened as appropriate and bullets to fit( usually either .358" or 9.3mm depending on particular version). I suggest you make, or have someone else make, a chamber cast and slug the barrel, to verify the chamber. If you just absolutely can't or won't load the ammo, there are custom loaders that can, but their services will be expensive and for the best results will need access to the rifle. An alternative is to prevail on a handloading friend for help. If you don't load your own ammo, you will miss out on 2/3 of the fun of owning and using these old guns.
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Thank you gentlemen.
I have been looking at drillings for quite some time & the chamberings available have been driving me crazy.

This is a bit of an expensive exercise either way you go.
You cannot afford to buy a money pit of repairs to a gun in bad & worn condition, so excellent condition is one of my requirements.
That commands a premium price as does chamberings in common calibres. Obsolete ammo commands a premium as does the brass, dies & projectiles. I do reload, but to set up for another obsolete round is a cost that may be better spent on a drilling of common calibre.

Just trying to weigh this all up.
My head says get a 12 g 2 3/4 over 7x57 or 06 but my heart loves the old thumpers like 9x70 in a hundred year old gun.
Then my head says 'why Oh why are the 16 g barrels on it only 2 1/2, argggh !

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Old drilling obsolete cartridges just make them that much more interesting. This is a drilling I picked up broken, extractoe was jammed, the action wouldn't close and the safety didn't work. I had to weld extensiont to the extractor legs and file them to , re-bed the trigger plat to make the safety work. Bertram still makes 6.5x58R Sauer brass for it but it is junk, too thin at the mouth and brittle. C&H die company had dies on the shelf and I form brass from 9.3x72R. The Groovediameter is only .260 so I swage .264 bullets to .260, C&H had the bullet swaging die on the shelf. It is one of my favorite coyote hunting guns.

!oz of NP BB's in a 2.5" 16ga hull roll crimped is deadly on coyotes inside 35 yards.

Both these were taken with the shotgun barrels





It is very accurate with the rifle barrel. I was experimenting with .257 bullets in it when I shot this group, swaged .264 90gr shoot just as well.




2.5" 16ga shells are very effective, I use 1 oz of lead shot either 5's or BB's for upland/coyotes and 3/4 oz of ITX 6's for waterfowl

For me half the fun is getting them up and running again.

6.5x57R, 7x57R and 8x57R are readily available at very reasonable prices over the counter, I buy at Graf & Sons, C&H has an incredible list of old and obsolete dies again at reasonable prices.

This old girl 16ga/16ga/7x57R with 1.5x Weaver in low claw rings, using factory PPV 139gr.


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Any 12 ga. drilling I've handled is a club. 2 1/2 in., 16 bore ammo is available from RST and others. They're also very easy to make and load on your own which is how a lot of us do it. As with oskar I've never felt handicapped by using 2 1/2 in. hulls.

There's lots of 8 X 57R, 7 X 57R and a host of other cartridges well past the century mark that are available in old drillings. A lot of them are either available over the counter or easily made with little investment or effort. My Jaeger in 9 X 57R comes to mind. One pass of 8 X 57R brass through a 9 X 57 die and I'm done.

A lot of the old drillings are going to require a little tinkering with the ammo but it's time and money well spent and, the results are usually more than satisfactory.


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Moses,
If you already have the 9x70R, we can help you load it using off the shelf dies. If you don't have one yet, do not buy a 12/12x30-06, you won't be satisfied in the long run. 6.5/7/8/or9x57R, or 7x65R/ 9.3x74R would all be fine and reasonably easy to load or buy. There are a good many 2 3/4" 16ga drillings on the market, look for post WW2 dates. If you especially want an Old caliber, we can help you with loading those also.
Mike


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