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While plundering around on the 'net reading this morning early I stumbled across the website for Aegis Academy. Cliff White had posted a brief history of the shotgun there, but what caught my eye was this photograph of two shotgun muzzles. I have never seen this, nor heard of it. I also copied and pasted a paragraph from his history relating to the "devices".

Knowing that a lot of us here are of the Vietnam War era, and are vets, I wonder if any of you knew of these, or ever had the opportunity to deploy one and test it's actual effectiveness.

From White's history -----

"During the Korean War the shotgun became the guard weapon of choice because of its great effectiveness at close range. The US Navy SEAL Teams used a modified �duck-bill� shotgun for walking as a lookout in the thick jungles of Vietnam. The muzzle of the barrel had a side-cut type of choke system that would produce a horizontal pattern with devastating effects. The weapon of choice was a pump-action Ithaca 10 gauge with 00 buckshot, while the Remington 870 12 gauge was used with great effectiveness as well."

I apologize for the poor quality of this pic, but I had to take a pic of the computer screen with my cell phone.



Thanks, SRH

And a later version -------

http://www.paradigmsrp.com/gator-shotgun-spreader/

SRH

Should be standard issue for U.S. Boarder Agents on the Mexican boarder.

If you watch the videos on the Paradigm site the spread is pretty amazing. Looks like what I need for those pesky rabbit targets on the sporting clays course.

SRH

Wouldn't work too good on a jumper.

Stan- I was an Armorer (2112 MOS) in the 'Nam era- never saw one of these "special ops". shotguns in my 8 years in the USMC- But I wonder about the Ithaca pump (M37) in 10 gauge. Ithaca at one time had marketed a 10 gauge gas operated semi-auto shotgun, but to the best of my knowledge, never in the M37. If I had to pick a 12 gauge pump for Special Ops- with an option of this spreader device (knowing that I abhor "muzzle gadgets"-- The Ithaca M37 would be at the "bottom of the barrel" for my selection. Either the Rem 870 or the Mossberg 500 would be first choice- and that's quite a statement from a die-hard Winchester M12 man.

I don't shoot many SC events now-a-days, but learned to use 7&1/2 loads for the "running rabbit" targets- 8's for the other ones. Just curious, would you use the "duck-billed" gun for other targets on the course, or just the rabbits?? RWTF

Weird, One of my friends who was in Vietnam in the early 60's, before LBJ started the official war carried only a Pump shotgun and a .45 he told me.

wonder if using one of these would improve my skeet score...

Sure......turn the tube 90 degrees and use it for a springing Teal!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Gotta ask RWTF...why on God�s green earth would a 37 be at the bottom of the barrel?

Fewer parts. Action designed as to prevent crud and water from getting into it. Easily taken down. No disconnecter. Light weight. Tough as nails.

I personally think the 37 is a beast of a trench, riot, jungle gun.

This also coming from a die hard Mod. 12 guy.