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Maybe, but your living proof its better to be stupid and lucky than smart any day of the week.


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I had a young friend that's dad had lost his arm right below the elbow when he was a young...story was his dad had been rabbit hunting and reached in the back seat to retrieve his single barrel shotgun by the muzzle end....when he drug it out of the back seat the hammer caught on something and the gun went off and shot his lower arm.

A costly lesson in gun safety.

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I agree, pulling the trigger on an empty chamber is redundant and calls into question the entire clearing process, but in Army logic, it is the final check. If the person clearing the weapon has a brain fart and doesn't do the sequence correctly, the pull of the trigger on a supposed empty weapon is the final means to guarantee that the weapon doesn't leave the clearing station loaded. You would think that grown ass men can accomplish a simple task such as this but alas, there are mere mortals who are incapable. Education and rank have no bearing.


People become complacent with guns the longer they are around them. the person who lowers a loaded firearm from a tree stand is a willing participant in the theory and practice of Darwinism.

The first rule of firearms safety is "all guns are loaded" . Not "treat all guns as if they are loaded". that immediately allows the brain to think it may be unloaded and you don't have to be as careful. By considering all guns loaded, you treat them as loaded firearms until such time that you can clear them and make them safe. even then you still keep your finger out of the trigger guard and keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.


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Thanks for the explanation about pulling the trigger. I guess it makes sense in a military setting but perhaps should be abandoned in civilian life. I was taught to not pull the trigger unless I was shooting at something.

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I concur, Colonel-- 100%. I saw a few close calls when I was in the USMC- MOS 2112-- armorer. Never assume a weapon is unloaded until you have checked it yourself-- Both my father and grandfather taught me this lesson at an early age.

You can also read in Robert Ruark's "The Old Man and The Boy"-- I don't remember the exact story line offhand- but when the boy told his Grandfather that he had unloaded his 20 bore double gun, but handed it to him closed, his mentor stepped outside the door, and pointed it towards the sky- and pulled the trigger- BLAM-- "What was that- mice?"' asked the Old Man--

Gun safety and gun handling manners are ingrained in some people, in others, not so much. I have seen my share of "close calls" on gun club shooting ranges, and I am sure you have as well.

And thank you for your service to our great Country. RWTF


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Originally Posted By: 2-piper
As an afterthought;
It is a possibility this gentleman in the treestand totally lowered the hammer, rather than placing it on half cock. NO hammer gun should have the hammer lowered on the cap or primer. It only takes a surprisingly light blow to ignite a primer in this situation, much less than enough to break the sear or notch.

This could very easily have occurred in lowering the gun should the hammer have struck a limb or such.

Much more likely the case I think. Much more.

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I once read an article by a gentleman who was otherwise extremely knowledgeable on muzzleloaders. He recommended when carrying a caplock rifle hunting to lower the hammer all the way down on the cap. His reason was that a blow to the hammer should the gun be dropped or something could break the half-cock mechanism & fire the gun, "WRONG", the blow required to break the half-cock is much more than required to fire the cap with the hammer resting on it.


I have known quite a few folks that believed this (note past tense). It was, I think, a particularly popular myth on the internet in the 1990s. I cured one person of this by just tapping his hammer with a stick. That was the end of that idea for him.


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Originally Posted By: nca225
Seems to me that the hunters safety course is designed for the lowest common denominator. Perhaps making the course more intelllectually engaging and and the test more difficult with more questions about real life safety situations. Probably would help if it wasnt one and done, but rather a retesting requirement every 5 years.


The most important thing I learned at my hunter safety class back in 1985 was how many nuts were gonna be running around the woods with guns when I was in them.

Guys came in full camo with large knives on their belts. Of course, this was the closest class to The Bronx


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Originally Posted By: nca225
Seems to me that the hunters safety course is designed for the lowest common denominator. Perhaps making the course more intelllectually engaging and and the test more difficult with more questions about real life safety situations. Probably would help if it wasnt one and done, but rather a retesting requirement every 5 years.


yOu are a nut cAse.

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Originally Posted By: Brian

do you know how often soldiers, marines, airmen , screwed that up? and no rank was immune.


I can only imagine....just after the Gulf war the railroad hired a lot of X military guys.

What I noticed about them was that most of them lacked the ability to think on their own....they could do what you told them but if they ran into an obstacle it was a no go.

I told more than one...."I'm sure glad you're out of the military and not protecting our country anymore as dumb as you are".

I did get kicked in the shin once for it....then he ran.

I guess I've been pretty lucky in life because if my railroad lantern thrown tomahawk style had struck home I'd be sitting in prison...no doubt he felt the wind on his ear.

I really think I meant to miss him.

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More hero stories, eh, Frank? You are the biggest windbag I've ever seen. But keep the spotlight on yourself. Sometimes it is entertaining to watch a fool recreate himself over and over.


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