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I questioned the gun my Mother is holding at Sioux Lake, Minnesota, Sept. 16, 1930, many decades ago, when people who were there were still living, and no one could think of a hammer double in the family.  That bottom end speaks Baker model 1897. John
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Just wondering about the 1915 Fox ad-- what does the length of the water table have to do with the ease of opening and closing a double gun? Anyone have an explanation of that?? RWTF
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#13...mr. Ted schlitz'fer'brains granpappy with his Mossberg pump.
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#5 Gable gave Carole Lombard a 20g Crown grade Smith, EOBV, 28" barrels, as a wedding present March 29, 1939. The gun was completed on 1/16/39 and shipped the same day to Harper and Reynolds, Los Angeles. #17 President Eisenhower on a quail hunt at the plantation of his first Secretary of Treasury George Humphreys in 1961. 
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Just wondering about the 1915 Fox ad-- what does the length of the water table have to do with the ease of opening and closing a double gun? Anyone have an explanation of that?? RWTF Fairly simple actually. Just apply the principle of a lever. The longer the water-table the further it is from the breech to the hinge pin. Using extremes if the barrels were 30" & length to center of the hinge was 2" vs 3" then with the short action you would have a lever of 28" while with the long one you would have a 27" lever. Not a lot of difference, But, there's another factor. With the short action, the barrels have to open through a longer arc, Arbitrarily let's say on the long action the barrels pivot 20° while on the short one they pivot 30°. The force required to cock the gun is thus spread out over a longer period of time, making it easier at any point. The same would apply on closing if ejectors are cocked on closing or on a Self-Opener. On non-self openers and guns which do not cock ejectors on closing then I believe the long actioned gun would close just a wee bit easier.
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#17 . . . Ike had a Model 21, but that one's obviously an OU. Looks to be sideplated/sidelock. Maybe one of the Beretta SO's? But all of those were 12's, and that one looks to be a smallbore.
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If Drew is right about #14 being a Prussian Daly, (I can't tell from the picture), it is probably keeping his Daly Sextuple company in my gun room. It came from the same family as my other two Sousa guns, but I needed help from Bob Beach and Griffin and Howe to make a Sousa connection for the Daly double. It is a rare safetyless Diamond Grade pigeon gun, made as an exact duplicate of his AAH Parker. Thanks, Drew, for this great thread.
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D looks to be a D grade or higher Parker when enlarged. TR's H&H double rifle is in the NRA museum.
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The gun most often attributed to Carol Lombard is a DHE 20 gauge Parker with a Mershon White Line pad. The South Dakota picture of Carol doesn't seem to be the Parker.
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