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I have heard the criticism of Longshot being a heavy kicker before. I have no doubt some who feel that kick are correct for what they experienced, however my experience is the opposite In the longshot in 1 oz 16 ga loads I use.


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Michael, what 16 ga. Load do use with Longshot? I also use Longshot in a 16 ga and find it to be pleasant to shoot in a old SxS.

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FWIW, I have been loading 22.5 gr of longshot for low pressure 16 gauge 2.5" shells. I would be interested to hear about the loads that others are using.


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Im not the most technical shooter, but I can prove this article is BS rather easily. Drop a modern shell into your classic double (assuming it is safe to shoot) and pull the trigger. Doesnt feel very good, does it? Now, drop in a low pressure RST shell. Feels sweet, doesnt it? Its that simple. One feels like crap. The other does not. The rule I follow is this, I shoot an old gun with the closest thing to the ammo it was made to shoot. The end.

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Michael, I am loading 23 gr. In a 2 3/4" 16 ga. Seems sweet to shoot.

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Originally Posted By: BrentD
FWIW, I have been loading 22.5 gr of longshot for low pressure 16 gauge 2.5" shells. I would be interested to hear about the loads that others are using.


Hi Brent, here's the 16ga load I use for Sharpies and Ringnecks. This one has worked very well for me. Patterns good (in the guns I use).

Cheddite 2 3/4" Hull

22grs Longshot

SG16 Wad

209 Cheddite Primer

1 1/8oz of shot

7000psi

1175fps

I also use an Overshot card, does give me better crimps. The SG16 is a 7/8 to 1oz wad, but I've never had any problems with flyers or "blown" patterns with the additional 1/8oz of shot.

Best,

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Originally Posted By: LeatherWoodSteel
Im not the most technical shooter, but I can prove this article is BS rather easily. Drop a modern shell into your classic double (assuming it is safe to shoot) and pull the trigger. Doesnt feel very good, does it? Now, drop in a low pressure RST shell. Feels sweet, doesnt it? Its that simple. One feels like crap. The other does not. The rule I follow is this, I shoot an old gun with the closest thing to the ammo it was made to shoot. The end.


Pressure has very little to do with recoil. The major factors are shot charge and velocity. An RST shell may very well "feel" better (lower recoil) than a "modern" shell from Win/Rem/Fed. But if it does, it's because the RST shell has a lighter shot charge and/or lower velocity than the "modern" shell.

RST makes a great 2 3/4" 12ga pheasant load: 1 1/4 oz 5 or 6 shot, 1200 fps. Modest recoil for a 1 1/4 oz load, and it will stone any rooster that's not wearing Kevlar. Somebody decides that more velocity is better and selects the "modern" 1400 fps 1 1/4 oz load. He'll know the difference right away, because that extra 200 fps velocity--which doesn't make any significant difference to the pheasant--just increased recoil energy from 26 to 38 ft-lbs. Close to 50% more recoil. I don't even want to think about the 1500 fps loads!

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Greg, thanks, that is almost exactly what I load.


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"I shoot an old gun with the closest thing to the ammo it was made to shoot."

Amen, and not hard to do.

Standard loads found on L.C. Smith hang tags:
12 gauge - 3 dram 1 1/4 oz. shot @ 1165 fps (1887 - about 1920)
... 3 dram 1 1/8 oz. shot @ 1200 fps (after about 1920)
16 gauge - 2 1/2 dram 1 oz. shot @ 1165 fps (introduced 1896)
20 gauge - 2 1/4 dram 7/8 oz. shot @ 1155 fps (introduced 1907)

The pressures of those loads, esp. with Dense Smokeless, was very similar to today's loads
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F2sQuPm05IE4VWYYnCkvuXmYEzQoWd_SQgaAfUOZEFU/preview

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Originally Posted By: L. Brown
Originally Posted By: LeatherWoodSteel
Im not the most technical shooter, but I can prove this article is BS rather easily. Drop a modern shell into your classic double (assuming it is safe to shoot) and pull the trigger. Doesnt feel very good, does it? Now, drop in a low pressure RST shell. Feels sweet, doesnt it? Its that simple. One feels like crap. The other does not. The rule I follow is this, I shoot an old gun with the closest thing to the ammo it was made to shoot. The end.


Pressure has very little to do with recoil. The major factors are shot charge and velocity. An RST shell may very well "feel" better (lower recoil) than a "modern" shell from Win/Rem/Fed. But if it does, it's because the RST shell has a lighter shot charge and/or lower velocity than the "modern" shell.

RST makes a great 2 3/4" 12ga pheasant load: 1 1/4 oz 5 or 6 shot, 1200 fps. Modest recoil for a 1 1/4 oz load, and it will stone any rooster that's not wearing Kevlar. Somebody decides that more velocity is better and selects the "modern" 1400 fps 1 1/4 oz load. He'll know the difference right away, because that extra 200 fps velocity--which doesn't make any significant difference to the pheasant--just increased recoil energy from 26 to 38 ft-lbs. Close to 50% more recoil. I don't even want to think about the 1500 fps loads!


Hi all, I use this load for late season birds. As the Col said, it drops them stone cold.

I asked RST about the pressure of this load and they stated it is 7800psi. That being said, a person could easily use this load in a vintage gun that's in top shape with no ill effects.

Best,,

Greg


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