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Valentin Häfner/Haefner Büchsenmachermeister in Kassel hung out his gunmaking shingle in 1804 and I'm fairly confident that a Häfner heir continued the craft and was dubbed by a royal dog catcher/handler in someone's royal court in 1884. So the longarm will date post 1884 with the Königl. Hofbüchsenmacher advertising atop the tube. Circa 1928 he passed the wand to a Carl Spangenberg.
I'd hazard a wild guess the chambering is some 11mm variant but some measurements & a chamber cast will ferret out the demon cartridge. It is a Lefaucheux platform with a sculpted barrel.
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battle,
Is this a rifle? You didn't say and the photos don't show a rear sight, or front sight for that matter. If it is a rifle, what condition is the bore in?
Mike
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No rifling, its smooth bore.
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battle,
The gun has a single set trigger, which is not appropriate for a shotgun. It is my opinion that the smooth bore barrel is an extra barrel and the gun likely was made with a rifle barrel as the primary one. If you don't have the original rifle barrel, it is not likely that you can find one.
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Does it have rifle or shotgun proofs?
Might have been a bore out with the new British gun laws?
Mike
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skeetx,
It is German, looks pre 1893, so no proof marks.
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After much research this rifle is Birmingham proofed.It started out as a rifle and bored out to a 32 gauge shotgun. The proof is a crown over a scripted b p also a 32 over a C within a diamond. 1887-1896.
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Hum, so a re-bore & British reproof for the period of 1887-1896?
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Raimey:
If you click on the first forum then go to page 2 there is a thread titled 1855 British bore size proof stamp. Birmingham proof 1887-1896 shows the same proofs as are on one of the flats of this gun. The serial number was added at this time I believe.On another flat is stamped F,E 430 which is original to the gun. I should also mention the frame is also Birmingham proofed.
Bob
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