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got rained off from taking pictures outside. Have not seen any makers marking. The general shape and checkering might be good clues. I will get more pictures when this storm settles down.






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That is a really nice looking rifle! The correct sight makes it complete.


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Looks like a Noske Field Scope. The mount could be any of a number of possibilities. G&H, Jaeger, Niedner, Noske.
It's hard to tell from this side, but I would guess a G&H, based on the rings.

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Its an echo mount. the rifle was owned by Adam Herkner father of Edward C. Herkner founder of E.C. Herkner Co. and inventor of the ECHO scope mount.

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My first .375 H&H was a pre-War Model 70 Winchester with a Lyman Alaskan scope in an Echo side mount. The previous owner had obviously had some problems stabilizing the scope under the recoil, because the rings had been drilled and tapped for set screws and corresponding depressions filed into the scope tube.

Griffin and Howe replaced the Echo mount with one of their double lever mounts and Lyman cheerfully returned the scope to pristine condition with a new tube. I still have the Echo mount lying around in a drawer as a reminder never to buy another.

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Originally Posted By: 375whelenIMP
......any makers marking. The general shape and checkering might be good clues.


375whelenIMP, please clarify, are you asking for people to guess the maker as if you know, using the shape and checkering pattern or are you thinking someone may be able to offer their thoughts as to the maker,
again using the shape and pattern?

Does the sight slide fit into the trap in the buttstock, I am assuming yes?

Also what caliber is the rifle?

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I don't know the maker. The pattern seems fairly unique but I don't know of anything very close. The slide fits into the trap and luckily came with the gun. Its a 30-06 with star gauge barrel.

I checked my outdated SRS numbers but didn't find it.

1427704NM 042434SA SALE
1427709NM 050235SA TO G&H (FOR J ATKINS JR)
1427710 My rifle not listed
1427736NM 050235SA TO G&H (FOR J P FAWCETT)


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Originally Posted By: xausa
I still have the Echo mount lying around in a drawer as a reminder never to buy another.

LOL grin LOL
xausa, kind of left a life long impression on you...very funny

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So it surfaces! Glad to see someone here got it. I was watching it and the lot prior to it with hopes of getting them both. This is the second time I've seen the Herkner rifle up for sale. I don't remember if it was GunBroker the first time or an auction. Do me a favor if you will. Check your bolt to see if it is a Springfield bolt or if it is an early Rock Island bolt. My theory is the bolts were switched at some point between the two rifles. My early Rock Island has a National Match bolt from the look of things and that sure looks like a straight bolt handle on yours. This is the ROCK ISLAND . I felt I saw some similarity in the schnabel treatment and wondered if they had been done by the same person. Mine is set to show up in the BBT Tuesday so I will try to get some pictures up when it arrives.

Regardless, I thought that was a nice and unique rifle the first time I saw it and your pictures convince me that it is. Congratulations.

I do wonder if Adam Herkner made the scope. The auction house mentioned he worked at Warner Swasey so that has possibilities. Did you find any marking on it?

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The bolt on mine was bent and reshaped but the safety lug is mark "1" which I think is early rock island?. I would like to see some better pictures when your's shows up Thaine they very possibly came from the same estate.

The scope is a noske but the marking is very faint the tube might have been reblued at some point.

I did just check under the grip cap, but no markings.

I noticed my bottom metal has the NRA and bomb marking.

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Nice looking sporter.

Is the wood cut out/inletting for the bolt handle and the sight newer/more recent than the action inletting?,,no oil staining? or is that just the light and pics. The bbl inletting looks like that also.

If it is, might the bolt have been altered from it's orig Military form to the present shape when the scope was added at a later time?
The adj rear might have been an addition at that time too or maybe just the long slide edition. Or perhaps it got a new bbl minus an orig rear bbl sight and didn't have the rear aperture sight at all when made..
All speculation of course because I'm seeing the wood inletting of those parts appearing done later in the life of the rifle.

The straight shank handle bolt was the standard on the single heat treat '03. The slight sweep to the rear started somewhere in the early double H/Treat.
But I don't know if RockIsland '03s' follow the same track in that styling.

The trap door butt plate first reminded me of the Mannlicher Schoenaur sporter BP. But the serrations looked a bit too bold. Not that I've seen all ever made of course..
Maybe it's a Mauser sporter trap butt plate. They had two styles available. One hinged from the top, the other at the bottom. I seem to recall they were serrated heavier than the M/S's which I have.
I don't have the K-action sporter anymore to refer to and the Speed's Book on Mausers is stashed away somewhere. I know there's pics in there.

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I think the rifle was made earlier and the scope was added later. E.C. Herkner Company started in 1947 I believe.

The serrations are much bolder comparing a factory MS and this one.

The pistol grip MOA adjustments are for the lyman I believe it likely came with the long slide originally.

I can check the Speed book I think I know where my copy is.

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The checkering detail around the forward tang on the trigger guard is something seen on Bob Owen stocks.


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