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"Three cavemen with their staff" in a row: pretty neat. A 2 1/2" chambered choked not for ball no. 16 bore possibly made in the nineteen hundred teens(1915-1920 maybe a little later). The DRGM I believe is an authorization to use a patent. I'll smoke it over and see what else I can see.
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Raimey,
I could well be way off with that "192" being a date.What do you think for value 25-2800?Again just a guess
Best,
Dave
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Dave:
I would say negative on the "192" date. Jim Cate is a Sauer authority and might be able to take the DRGM number and give a year date. Right off, I can't remember when the not for wall stamp was used, maybe before 1912? Without seeing the bores and knowing the length of pull(probable 13 1/2") I would guess around $2K, maybe a few hundred less. There appears to be some wear and surface rust. Any story to go along with it would be nice: war trophy, found in the back of our jeep in a blanket, German farmer handed me the pieces or just purchased it. But I'm sure others who are German Double experts can give a better estimate will be along soon.
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The serial number dates it to 1896 according to our member Jeff Stephens fine work published some time back. I have one like it including the same "clock hand" cocking indicators but with less engraving and ornamentation. Mine simply says J P Sauer und Sohn. I would guess Moritz, located in Leipzig, was a small custom gunsmith shop who embellished a gun bought "in the white" from Sauer and added his name to it, perhaps also stocking it. It is indeed a fine looking gun, assuming the bores and all mechanics are good, I would stop bidding at between $1,500 to $1,750. I would think the 192G stamp is some sort of internal numbering system used by this gunsmith on his finished guns, and the original Sauer serial numbeer is as you state. These old black powder proofed guns are usable only with very low pressure 2 1/2" handloads. Be sure nobody stuffs some WalMart 2 3/4" shells in it and touches it off. You could easily cause some damage.
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I'm sure Jeff Stephens will be by shortly to give his thoughts. Looks like a real nice Sauer sidelock.
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Your guess is probably close to it, Shotgun, because this one looks similar to my simple-stipple 1914 Model VIII except for cocking indicators located higher in the two o'clock position on the sideplate.
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Well there then Dave, you were much closer on the date than I was. What about the triple "Caveman w/ Staff" stamp? Is it common to have 3 side by side by side.
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All, thanks for all the replies so far. Very interesting. I thought I would add that there are numbers/letters under the barrel (you can kind of see them in the picture where the 192G shows up) that I can make out better in the larger pics that I have. They are:
P16___65.9,75 S.P.28,5 BL
The underline after the 6 is about 2 or 3 spaces wide. Not quite sure about the P at the front or the 9. Don't currently have the gun here to double check.
I've seen some mention of the cavemen stamps. What is their significance?
The story behind the gun is my dad was into antiques/guns and he picked this up a long time ago at a gun show. He was very proud of it. He passed many years ago and the gun has been sitting in its case at my moms. I'm not really into guns so its time to let a collector enjoy this.
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The numbers you have "P16___65.9,75 S.P.28,5 BL" are probably for powder type(S.P.), powder charge & shot charge(28,5 Lead). Are you sure of the letters? Would you have a better pic of the stamps? The caveman with the staff is either a mark for the town of Suhl or a Sauer mark. I have seen it on many Sauer longarms barrels of that time period.
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