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If you wish to be ruled by fear, so be it. Life will always have risks. My personal rule-of-thumb is 20-thousands and up is "safe" for modern shells provided the tubes are in good shape (no deep pits, no bad dents). However, IMHO the real risk of "modern" ammunition in old guns is the shock back through the head of the stock. 100-plus year old wood is unpredictable at best. If screws are turning and gaps are appearing then re-evaluate your use.
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Drew;
When I was looking over the proof marks and specifically the Birmingham viewers mark I could not then and still cannot make out the letter at the top of the first viewers mark (just between the sceptre hilts); but my guess is it is a B or a D indicating that the original 13/1 bore diameter was overbored in the early to mid 1920's. Can you see what the year code was of this early viewers mark?
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You may be correct, but I can't read the mark either. 1920s would be late for damascus, and again, the orginal mark would be 1 1/8 oz Shot. It looks like the 1 1/8 oz. over-stamped something on the L flat, followed by CHOKE.
My very limited list of WR SNs indicates 1884-1893 1400 - 1500. 1924 starts at 1800
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Drew;
I went back and edited my wording above to say that the original OVERBORE work from 13/1 was likely done in the mid-1920s according to the unreadable Birmingham viewers mark----Which is what I meant to write. Your complete analysis of the life of the barrels by viewing the proof marks is correct.
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The serial number is 6964. The top of the receiver in front of the toplever is marked: " Westley Richards patent ejector". The water table has a use mark of 1969 for Deelys ejector patent and A0658 for Anson & Deely's boxlock patent.
Added: end of chambers, 2-1/2" from breech face .760 both. At 9" from breech, .739 and .741.
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drew an udders should be aware of safety concerns re shooting smokeless powder loads in twist steel barrelled guns go beyond just duplicating bp pressures...
but den, mebbe not...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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lloyd, with all due respect...
living in fear of doing something stupid is learned by experience...
experience also teaches us not to take unneccesary risks, just because we can...
and thank you for your concern that shooting smokeless loads in old guns increases the possibility of damage to the old wood and metal parts...
but then that assumes that shooters value old guns and their preservation...
more so than massaging ones ego...
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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back in the eighties and nineties, there were healthy interstate competions between shooters of original muzzle loading shotguns...
i remember selling fine condition original muzzle loaders to shooters all over the country...
the boys had a good time...
at the expense of those old guns...
occasionally I see some of erm advertised for sale, mostly with cracked stocks, loose hammers and dangerously worn tumbers...and barrels with bulges, cracks and pin hole leaks...
but den, the boys had ah good time...
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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and the same thing happened to original flint lock rifles back in the sixties and seventies, during that fad...
and so hit goes...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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